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tardedmeme 2 hours ago

Note that "attestation through a web of trust" means something like needing an invite from an existing user. It doesn't have to mean mass surveillance.

g3f32r 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Private torrent trackers have been doing this for a while. If some number of your downstreams act like shitheads - you get nipped and so do your other downstreams.

2ndorderthought 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This seems like the best way to handle it. Also, smaller communities. It's cool to do the global thing, but once you have 10k active users you can't moderate it with a team of 5 volunteers.

I think the attestation approach works best if there are different reasons for the punishment. Eg someone inviting a turd doesn't ban the person who invited them. Someone going full ai spam should.

kitsune1 an hour ago | parent [-]

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irishcoffee 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Was it demonoid? That was like this way back in the day? Needed an invite and if you leeched you were cut.

platevoltage an hour ago | parent [-]

Demonoid was semi private, but yes, most private trackers require you to keep up some kind of seeding ratio to remain a member.

michaelt 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

PGP’s web of trust was kinda bad privacy-wise in some regards, as it basically revealed your IRL social network.

If my PGP public key has 6 signatures and they’re all members of the East Manitoba Arch Linux User Group, you can probably work out pretty easily which Michael T I am.

Are there successful newer designs, which avoid this problem?

pjc50 an hour ago | parent [-]

The IRL social network is actually the important part of the trust structure.

The only one of these I've seen that really worked was the Debian developer version: you had to meet another Debian developer IRL, prove your identity, and only then could you get the key signed and join the club.

LtWorf an hour ago | parent [-]

You need to meet 2 actually :)

nicbou 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Then how can you have a community that is welcoming to people who are not part of the ingroup?

I want to create a community for immigrants. How would I make it welcoming to recent immigrants for whom no one can vouch?

A web of trust is a wonderful tool, but it's exclusive by design. This is a problem for some communities, even though it makes others much better.

AnthonyMouse 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Note that "attestation through a web of trust" means something like needing an invite from an existing user.

It's probably better to call this something like vouching and leave "attestation" as the contemptible power grab by megacorps delenda est. The advantage in using the same word for a useful thing as a completely unrelated vile thing only goes to the villain.

ghaff 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Which is, funnily (?) enough, how a lot of IRL organizations used to be. And basically don't be of the wrong ethnicity or religion.

It still happens more informally today, of course, but it used to be a pretty (if un-spoken) part of how a lot of WASPy organizations operated to a greater or lesser degree.

Exoristos an hour ago | parent [-]

This was cogent in 1910.

ghaff an hour ago | parent [-]

A lot more recently than that--and even today but more under the table. A lot of clubs still excluded members within the past few decades.

kitsune1 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

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