| ▲ | Morromist 2 hours ago |
| I agree its a very, very interesting problem. Maybe one of the biggest problems of the coming decade. I suspect it will be a long process: first there will be goverments that force people to use ID, but that will be abused, hacked and considerably restrict freedom of speech, so after that phase people will start to create better ids. The problem is really pretty simple: You need an authoratitive source to say "This person is real" - and a way for that source to actually verify you're a person - but that source can be corrupted and hacked. Some people will say "Crypto!" but money != people, so I don't see how that works. Perhaps the creation of some neutral non-goverment-non-profit entity is the way, but I can see lots of problems there too, and it will probably cost money to verify someone is real - where does that come from? Anyway, good luck on your work! |
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| ▲ | baxuz 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| https://eudi.dev/2.8.0/discussion-topics/g-zero-knowledge-pr... |
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| ▲ | WillPostForFood 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| *You need an authoratitive source to say "This person is real"* Does that even accomplish much? It may cut down on mass fake account creation. But, real people can then create authenticated account, and use an LLM to post as an authenticated real person. |
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| ▲ | Morromist 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, that's a problem, you're right. There are some ways to migitate it, but they introduce their own issues. Like say you give someone only 1 ID for their lifetime, they start to spam AI crap, you ban their ID - sounds ok except who is available to police all 8 billion IDs and determine if they're spamming? Who polices the police? What if these IDs become critical for conducting commerce and banning someone is massively detrimental to their finances? Etc. These problems aren't necessarily unsolvable though - but they are super difficult. | |
| ▲ | Karrot_Kream 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If there's only 1 or just a handful of verifiers, then a human can at most go through a few of those credentials before they run out. The risk is of course getting someone else's credential but that isn't as big an issue, especially for smaller online communities. | | |
| ▲ | kingleopold an hour ago | parent [-] | | you under estimate human population in certain countries, literally | | |
| ▲ | Karrot_Kream an hour ago | parent [-] | | I just don't see a world where a small community ends up having to deal with a dedicated set of potentially spoofed identities. There are already tools like slow-downs and post limits for new members that can protect against this. HN is the biggest community I'm in by an order of magnitude and it's the only community I know that can the just use a slow mode type mechanic to halt this kind of attack. | | |
| ▲ | nemomarx 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Have you considered sock puppets? It's not out of the question to handle with human mods but detecting them automatically is pretty bad if someone is supplying credentials to each one, and sometimes it does take months or years to notice that new user Y is banned user X. |
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| ▲ | bluefirebrand 42 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > But, real people can then create authenticated account, and use an LLM to post as an authenticated real person. They can, but ideally they wouldn't be able to make infinite accounts with that authenticated status. So it would still reduce the number of bot posters on the web |
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| ▲ | kingleopold an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| it can also be "rented" btw, rented by llms? interesting |
