Yeah especially given that California is a leader in renewable energy sources.

Renewables is for electricity. Oil is used for a lot of things that electricity can't replace, or not yet

	▲	jeffbee 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Much of what fossil fuels are used for is to refine fossil fuels, a use that we don't need to entirely replace.

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bdcravens 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, but even the renewables market is dependent on petroleum-based transport and infrastructure.

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triceratops 5 hours ago | parent [-]

But the more renewables get used the less true that is.

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bdcravens 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Possibly, or more infrastructure is needed to support the growing demand for renewables, and the equipment is often trucked around using standard freight (large trucks or airplanes), concrete trucks to pour slabs, etc.

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triceratops 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Electric trucks are rapidly becoming a thing. And even if not, more trucks delivering equipment for renewables get balanced out by more EVs.

Not to mention natural gas and oil will always need to be shipped around. Whereas when you have enough renewables and a grid that can supply enough electricity, shipping panels and batteries drops by a lot.

	▲	bdcravens 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, and I look forward to when electric freight is a thing, but I do think it's an overstatement to say they are "rapidly becoming a thing". Articles about electric trucks among the HN crowd make it feel that way, but those are tests that don't really reflect what's happening in the market. (Most of the available data puts the overall percentage of freight moved by renewables at less than 0.1%). I suspect we're 10-20 years away from a time when a majority of DC chargers, solar panels, or wind turbines are transported using something other than gasoline or diesel. Don't get me wrong, I'm quite dogmatic about renewables (we have 2 EVs, pay more for various renewable options, aggressively recycle, avoid single-use plastics, etc). I'm just pragmatic in my outlook.