Spying on people is a violation of plenty of amendments. Illegal immigration is a misdemeanor not a felony. Stop treating the law as a binary illegal or not. It just leads to brain dead interpretations of the law. There is plenty of “illegal” things people do every day and yet we don’t install public dragnet cameras to stop it. Illegal immigration hasn’t shown any real harm to people that regular citizens don’t also take part in. Immigration has just been used to rile you up because you can scream “illegal illegal illegal” a bunch of times without reading the 14th amendment and understand that you can’t have a country of rights if you don’t extend those rights to non-citizens within your borders.

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suburban_strike 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Illegal immigration hasn’t shown any real harm to people that regular citizens don’t also take part in

Eliminating competition comes with the territory of survival.

> you can’t have a country of rights if you don’t extend those rights to non-citizens within your borders.

Sophistry. "Rights" asserted by contractual violation are invalid. If you pirate Windows you don't get to sue Microsoft when WGA denies you access. Expectation otherwise is an assertion of dominance by the weaker party.

You don't have a country at all if you don't enforce borders, which become meaningless in practice once you extend ingroup rights to outgroups. But you know this, hence your phrasing.

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GorbachevyChase 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So assuming you drive, when a police car gets really inappropriately close behind you for a couple minutes and then backs off, then they are probably using their eyes to look at your license plate and having someone run that or texting while driving to do that on the computer in the car. I don’t think there is a fundamental difference between this process and using a camera other than a camera doesn’t expect you to give it a pension.

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righthand 4 hours ago | parent [-]

The cops actions are vetted and have responsible party attached. The camera is used to bypass responsibility of bad actors entirely. Infact the camera is used to enable bad actors instead of catching bad actors. Huge difference in my opinion but okay just shrug your shoulders and claim there’s no difference.

	▲	BobaFloutist an hour ago \| parent [-]
		And, crucially, cops are expensive, so the percentage of drivers they can do this to is low. Whereas a stationary camera can scan the license plates of ~100% of cars that go past it and save that data for later fishing expeditions. And is cheap enough that we can (and have) blanketed roads with them.

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buzer 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Illegal immigration is a misdemeanor not a felony.

My understanding is that entering without getting inspected is misdemeanor (or felony in some cases), but that's often not the case. Usually people just overstay and that's civil case. And because it's treated as a civil matter a lot constitutional protections do not apply (to clarify: some still do).

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kristjansson 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Viz: any public comment session on any proposal to add speed cameras to any American city.

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xp84 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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pavel_lishin 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> non-citizens don’t have any particular rights beyond the Geneva Convention

That's just untrue.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8...

> Shaughnessy v. United States ex rel. Mezei, 345 U.S. 206, 212 (1953); see also Mathews v. Diaz, 426 U.S. 67, 77 (1976) ("There are literally millions of aliens within the jurisdiction of the United States. The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment, protects every one of these persons from deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.");

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john_strinlai 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>A “misdemeanor”? I don’t really care what you define it as,

the user 'righthand' didnt define it that way...

its how the government defined it in 8 U.S.C. § 1325

>Also non-citizens don’t have any particular rights beyond the Geneva Convention.

this is also wrong. the constitutions protections generally extend to all people in the US

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righthand 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You have a brain dead interpretation of the law it seems. You may be interested in the US Constitution Amendments 4-14 should give you quite a few answers to your confusion on how we treat people here. Your interpretation of the laws would make you an illegal for misinterpreting the laws. Let’s deport you.

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MrBuddyCasino 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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	▲	john_strinlai 5 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		it is far from correct... its actually, like, the opposite of correct.
	▲	pavel_lishin 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		None of this is true, see my other comment.
	▲	righthand 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		No it’s not correct. Please leave.