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| ▲ | robin_reala 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It’s about having rights, and exercising them. If companies find that difficult to work with then they’re not even hitting the minimum baseline. |
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| ▲ | shimman 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Also why should we allow such companies to exist if the vast majority of people don't like their actions? There's no fundamental right to starting a business, so might as well make businesses socially acceptable rather than fucking the public for profit. |
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| ▲ | greggoB 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > It’s a very European concept, that making life difficult is a worthy pursuit This is an incredibly bold statement, and something I really cannot relate to having lived in Europe for over a decade. It comes across as more of a knee-jerk reaction from someone who believes oversight or accountability of any kind is by definition a needless burden. |
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| ▲ | k33n 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I’m an incredibly bold guy. And I would personally just stop operating in the EU if it was between that and being accountable to their bureaucrats. | | |
| ▲ | jmkd 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | So you don't want to be accountable to users, or to bureaucrats? If you had to choose one who would it be? | |
| ▲ | skeeter2020 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Might be tough for a Florida-man to understand but there's a difference between being bold and being an a-hole. | | |
| ▲ | Pay08 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, that's a very... interesting definition of "bold". One might argue that since operating inside a regulated environment is so out of his comfort zone, setting up shop in the EU would be the bold thing to do. |
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| ▲ | greggoB 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nobody's holding a gun to your head, you're welcome to setup shop in the most anarchist society you can find. Good luck with whatever version of "operating" you're able to manage while there :) | |
| ▲ | vrganj 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You do know that "the bureaucrats" is just a slur for our democratically elected government, right? In other words, the will of the people. | | |
| ▲ | shimman 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah but the opponents of the people literally believe democracy is bad and want to go back to monarchism in the form of unaccountable CEO kings that decide the will of the people. Sadly this is like half the tech workforce too. People too brainwashed to see how destructive their work is to the world. | | |
| ▲ | vrganj an hour ago | parent [-] | | I believe it is up to the other half to stand up for decency, for democracy and for the rule of law. Don't be quiet, don't just let things happen. Use your voice while you still have it! |
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| ▲ | atwrk 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You think standing in for people's rights against the profit interests of transnational corporations means "making life difficult"? Whose life exactly? That of the CEO of Microsoft? |
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| ▲ | fellowmartian 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Hey, he MIGHT be that CEO one day. Currently he’s temporarily embarrassed billionaire. | |
| ▲ | k33n 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Oh I LOVE this, we can't have enough of these privacy-focused non-profits making tech companies' lives difficult. Literally the comment I replied to. | | |
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| ▲ | john_strinlai 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| it is a very American concept, that company interests should be placed above human interests and rights. |
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| ▲ | malfist 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Well, not all Americans. Just ones of a specific political bent that is common on this site. And the wealthy ones, because they have the money hoarding disease | |
| ▲ | 1234letshaveatw 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | john_strinlai 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | a generic "europe bad" comment doesnt deserve much more than a generic "america bad" comment as a reply | | |
| ▲ | skinfaxi an hour ago | parent [-] | | I would hope for better. Threads descending into nationalism are rarely interesting. > The most important principle on HN, though, is to make thoughtful comments. Thoughtful in both senses: civil and substantial https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html | | |
| ▲ | john_strinlai a minute ago | parent [-] | | if that was truly the "most important principle", there wouldnt be hundreds of upvoted "ai slop", "microslop", etc. comments every day. i have several other thoughts on the topic in general, and your light chastising, but its probably not the place or time. |
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| ▲ | newyankee 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When an entity becomes almost a monopoly, surely the rules about some behaviours should be stronger |
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| ▲ | embedding-shape 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > It’s a very European concept, that making life difficult is a worthy pursuit. It's really hard to understand concepts when you're internationally masking and misleading yourself. Obviously no one things "making life difficult is a worthy pursuit", but, doing the right thing sometimes is worth a bit of the difficulties it introduces, this is why you see moves like this. |
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| ▲ | harrouet 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You don't pay them anything but you are the product, genius ! |
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| ▲ | jbxntuehineoh 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| making life difficult for _people i don't like_ is a worthy pursuit |
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| ▲ | well_ackshually 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You force yourself onto my life (because, for various reasons, most of the career listings are there for example) and then you attempt to make it miserable too, by using and abusing every FOMO tool in the box ? You bet your ass I'm going to make your life difficult. If you want it to stop, you're the one with the ball on your side of the court, you know exactly what to do. It's a very American concept, to believe you can just ignore systems and networks. The guy shitting in your yard every day doesn't go away just because you're not looking at him do it. |
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| ▲ | vrganj 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Making the lives of those that wish to exploit us and monetize our relationships on their enshittified platforms is not the same as making everyone's life difficult. |
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| ▲ | amarcheschi 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I would say that they are the first that decide to make everyone's life harder on purpose, first. Trying to pay them back is the least somebody could do |
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