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krystalgamer 5 hours ago

don't see the issue, the data of who visited my profile belongs first to the visitor and to me iff i pay for it. seems pretty clear, no?

throw_a_grenade 5 hours ago | parent [-]

No, that's the point. If the data pertains to you, it's yours. No "iff I pay for it".

chasd00 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

wouldn't that mean every piece of cctv footage that has me in it also belongs to me? i don't see it (no pun intended).

bee_rider 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don’t think anyone has tested that in court. I wouldn’t be surprised if it should belong to you but fact that most CCTV footage is (or at least was) stored by small independent entities means that you aren’t aware that your CCTV data exists, or wouldn’t find it worthwhile to request it all.

It would be an interesting angle of attack against classic surveillance, though. If there are any vendors that store the video in some centralized system, so you can request it all at once.

But, I think there will be some hurdles, this case specifically relies on the fact that LinkedIn clearly doesn’t believe there’s any reason to keep this data private (they sell users access to it, after all).

vidarh 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You absolutely can request CCTV footage of you in the EEA. You need to specify time period with sufficient specificity, and how to identify you so they can ensure they are handing out footage of you, but you have a right to it.

It's rarely going to be worth requesting, but if you e.g. need evidence for a civil case, for example, it could be.

k33n 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s a little more complicated than that, because ultimately I control whether you see that I viewed your profile or not, even if you’re a Premium member. If I don’t want other users to see that I viewed their profile, then I don’t get to see who viewed my profile. It’s a setting.

bee_rider 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Oh, I assumed this was just about the views from the folks who hadn’t enabled the private viewing option.

k33n 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It would have to be, if they were to try and take this argument further. But ultimately the question of who the data is concerning/belongs to is more complex than the article lets on because there are two users involved in the scenario that generated the data.

bee_rider 3 hours ago | parent [-]

In either case it must belong to one of the users, so I guess it will be good to clarify.

cge 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That is true in the EU in a number of circumstances. You can do a data access request for CCTV footage of yourself; I’ve successfully done this before, and some organizations give out CCTV footage this way often enough they have websites about their procedures. For organizations I know of, they blur other people in the footage.

throw_a_grenade 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, of course. In European cities there are GDPR disclosures hanged on the lampposts on which CCTV cameras are mounted. The disclosure contains retention period and contact to data processing inspector where you can request the data. You probably need to specify the timestamps and haw to recognise you.

In commercial buildings the disclosure may hang on the wall besides main entrance.

Everything as designed.

krystalgamer 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

exactly, but it doesn’t pertain to you until you pay.

if we assume there’s a directional graph with edges labeled as “visited”. what linkedin is offering is to traverse it backwards for a fee.

what they’re demanding is ludicrous. pure entitlement that would have horrible ramifications for all social media platforms.

should a gdpr export include who has unliked/unreposted your posts too? it definitely pertains to you.

scronkfinkle 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Pertains" is doing a lot of work in your argument, and you're using it wrong. The data about who viewed your profile pertains to you from the moment the visit happens. That's what that word means, so your first statement is false.

The other important detail is that LinkedIn already has processed this data that definitely pertains to you, whether you paid for it or not, and are trying to sell it to you. In fact, to quote the article, LinkedIn's argument for not giving it to the user is "on the grounds that protecting that data took precedence". LinkedIn isn't withholding viewer data to protect viewer privacy. We know this because they sell it. If the viewer's privacy interest were so compelling that it overrides your Article 15 right (which is what Noyb is referring to), it would also be compelling enough to prevent LinkedIn from selling that same data to Premium subscribers.

The argument being made for this specific feature (not the ones you added) is that you can't simultaneously claim the data is too privacy-sensitive to disclose under GDPR and then sell it as a product feature

krystalgamer 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

> The argument being made for this specific feature

great display of intellectual honesty here.

throw_a_grenade 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> it doesn’t pertain to you until you pay

Respectfully, that's bollocks. The data, by itself, either does, or it does not. Exchange of unrelated money does not change anything in the data itself. IOW, it's the data that matters, not a wannabe-service that is pitched to the rightful owners.