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01100011 11 hours ago

Old people are organized and more social. I see it in my community. They run the newsletters and they host community events. "Oh that's because they're retired!" No, many of them are not. Many still work.

I want the gerontocracy to end, but I'm also worried what takes its place. Gen Xers like me seem to lack some of the abilities present in our older generations.

We'll probably be more equitable and fair, but will we be as politically effective and organized towards achieving our goals? I sort of doubt it.

throwaway173738 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Organization is a skill that can be passed on, and to the degree that old people are still doing it themselves they’re depriving us of opportunities to learn and to practice and to benefit from their experience. That’s why we’re not as good at it.

01100011 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Sure, and if I was so inclined I could go rub noses with them. They're eager to find young folks who are community minded. But I don't want that. I'm gen x and full of cynicism and antisocial attitudes. The only people I know who aren't that way in my generation are churchgoing types and a few influencers.

lostapathy 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Relatedly, it's a skill that goes with positions that are clung to such that nobody else gets to practice and learn said skill.

WalterBright 10 hours ago | parent [-]

An awful lot of young people are starting businesses. Look at all the people under 30 becoming billionaires. This just didn't happen when I was young.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/12/22/why-there-...

WalterBright 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Equity and fairness are at odds with each other.

r14c 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Could you expand on that? My concept of fairness is pretty congruent with equity.

WalterBright 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Equity means equal results.

If you work harder than I, for the same pay, that is equitable but it isn't fair.

hilariously 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Equity? You mean equality (and that's still about rights, not pay.) Equity is just a stake in the outcome at all.

WalterBright 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Equality: starting out at the same position, for example we have equal rights under the law

Equity: winding up at the same position, for example when everybody in a race wins the same medal, regardless of how hard they trained or how talented they are.

An apocryphal story about equity:

https://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html

hilariously 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

There's no definition of equity that I can find that returns that result so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

r14c 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think we're talking about different things then.

Nobody is asking for equal result. Equity means sharing the rewards of productivity, instead of allowing a group of people who do nothing get rich off of other people's hard work. That's fair.

Doing good work should be rewarded!

WalterBright 10 hours ago | parent [-]

> Nobody is asking for equal result. Equity means sharing the rewards of productivity, instead of allowing a group of people who do nothing get rich off of other people's hard work.

Your two sentences contradict each other.

r14c 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah I guess we're talking about different things. Thanks for clarifying.

lenerdenator 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They've had decades to save up the money that allows them to do the things alongside work.

They also came up in a time and place that allowed them to build social relationships outside of work. Many Gen Xers and Millennials just... don't have that kind of personal time. I know several people in my circle of friends who don't want to do anything after work because they're exhausted. Bills gotta be paid, and there's more pressure to squeeze more productivity and consumption out of individuals than there was in 1980-1995. A lot of that pressure, oddly enough, comes from the necessity to keep shareholder returns high to keep the retirement accounts of the Boomers flush with cash.

Gen X and Millennials are also less likely to have had kids than the Boomers, so the socialization that came along with having a child (extracurriculars, PTA meetings, etc.) just never happened.

We incentivized, and eventually started requiring, economic output and consumption over building in-person social networks and hosting events outside of work. It was what we considered important.

WalterBright 10 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm curious how you figure that pressure to increase profits has increased?