| ▲ | WorkerBee28474 12 hours ago |
| This is normal. Confirming hits gives your enemy valuable information about their accuracy. |
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| ▲ | sgnelson 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I'm going to go with a "lol, Iran doesn't have access to Russian and Chinese state-based and public satellite imagery?" Sure, "this is fine." |
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| ▲ | dylan604 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why is it assumed that they cannot get that information in other ways? If only they had an ally with satellite imaging capabilities that have a vested interest in seeing the US struggle. Sure, they can tune into CNN and see what's being said there too, but to assume that's their sole source of information is just farcical. |
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| ▲ | magicalhippo 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Iran reportedly bought[1] a TEE-01B satellite from China in 2024, giving them quite detailed images directly with ~half meter (~1.7 feet) resolution[2]. Granted they reportedly also got help from Chinese ground stations. So they could probably just check themselves how it was going, unless they wanted rapid feedback I suppose. [1]: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iran-used-chinese-spy-sa... [2]: https://thedefensewatch.com/product/tee-01b-earth-observatio... | |
| ▲ | snickerbockers 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There's a limit to how many photos you can take with somebody else's satellite. Even if the russkies are complying with every Iranian request, that would at least serve to deny russia the ability to use their own surveillance resources to their fullest potential. | | |
| ▲ | tzs 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Don't satellites have very limited abilities to change their orbits? A request for Iran would be for Russia to photograph something when the Russian satellite is in the area anyway. Unless Russia happened to want to concentrate on something else in that area this shouldn't impede their own surveillance. Also, I'd expect that everything Iran wants to see Russia also wants to see. | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | At this point, China would be interested as well. If Xi decides to get on the despot raiding party bus, he'd like to know how effective Iran's capabilities have been on US assets. At this point, North Korea might be looking south too. |
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| ▲ | wesapien 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If only other countries just gave away their sovereignty then we wouldn't have to preemptively take away their sovereignty because if we don't then they will do it to us. If we don't instigate war then it will come to us and our stocks won't go up and contracts dry up. | |
| ▲ | hirvi74 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This allegedly ally has likely considered all the potential advantages and disadvantages and is acting accordingly. Sometimes the smartest move one can make is no move at all. | | |
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| ▲ | acdha 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There’s always a tension in democratic societies, however, where civilian oversight is important. Claiming the war is going really well until asking for $200,000,000,0000 because it isn’t has little military benefit compared to the political ramifications of preventing public oversight. |
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| ▲ | resters 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | We learned from WikiLeaks that the US government classified (hid) significant information that was not relevant to national security, simply to conceal information about the war effort that would likely have turned public opinion against the war. That is a clear abuse of power, which like most of the abuses revealed by Wikileaks, Snowden, etc., get solid bipartisan support. |
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| ▲ | muteh 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s not 1943. They know they hit. |
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| ▲ | plugger 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Iran currently has tasking control of a single Chinese military spy satellite with sub meter resolution. They struck this arrangement before the war. This capability has provided them targeting/tasking info as well as post attack BDA capabilities. The delay on commercial imagery purchase isn't to hinder Iran, it's to hinder our understanding of the conflict. |
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| ▲ | spwa4 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, Iran's tactic is to take as many hostages as they can and then vilifying their opponent. Denying or just resisting that tactic, obviously, means denying as much of this as possible, while keeping general correct information about the conflict available. |
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| ▲ | Waterluvian 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Americans have a very low tolerance for the true cost of war (which I think is probably a good thing when they’re in the aggressor role). The full truth of the situation going public is probably one of few ways to pull back on this unchecked government behaviour, given Congress seems all but dead. |
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| ▲ | pbhjpbhj 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | >unchecked government behaviour // It's not "government behaviour", it's unchecked dictator's behaviour. It's not democratic, and the former service personnel who are doing it know they're contravening the constitution, committing war crimes, and so breaking their vows and promises. And all seemingly to just be a lever for Trump and his cronies to pull on to steal multi-generational wealth from everyone invested in USA markets; to add to the multi-generational wealth they're stealing via contracts and just taking as bribes, clear as day, right under the noses of congress. USAians who support Trump seemed to tolerate his militia and the former USA army being used against your own citizens, and tolerate war-crimes that are written as the definition of the types of orders that soldiers must refuse to carry out. I wonder how long it took the provinces of Rome to realise Rome had fallen. | | |
| ▲ | Tanoc 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | One thing I do not understand is the sheer ridiculousness of the participation rate within the military. As you stated, many of these people in positions of command know exactly what they're violating, be it domestic law, international law, standards of decency, or their own morals. Enough of them seem to disagree with the current directions being given that they could refuse orders and draw down, effectively paralyzing the military with a sizable non-compliant command structure. And if they're all removed from their posts the ensuing chaos would ensure the implosion of the current operation and likely cripple the military for decades. There's a very powerful position these people are in, and they know as much. What's even more important from this entire interaction is that they stand to lose more than they would gain from continuing the war, while they would gain nothing but lose very little if they just stopped and refused. The continuation is actively detrimental to the military because it increases fear of petty or capricious reprisal, reduces trust, makes international cooperation during crises less likely, and pushes foreign militaries away from buying U.S. equipment. So why continue listening to the order to punch the brick wall and break their knuckles? There's some deeper cultural issue at play here, likely that's been there since Vietnam and only grown over the last sixty years, where refusal of orders even if clearly detrimental is a betrayal of your country and fellow servicemen rather than an exercise in judgement and consideration of consequences. |
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| ▲ | Thaxll 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is nonsense, they have the same information as everyone else right? Iran knows because Russia knows. Even the private sector has satellites. There is no secret. |
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| ▲ | AnimalMuppet 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It also gives them propaganda wins. |
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| ▲ | dylan604 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | To me the propaganda win would be showing Hegseth saying the US is doing really well and not acknowledging losses while showing all of the damage the US has sustained. In this day and age, only the die hard loyal MAGA followers are unwilling to accept these bald-faced lies, and even their eagerness is waning. | |
| ▲ | iugtmkbdfil834 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sigh, there would be no need for propaganda wins or worrying about enemy learning about their accuracy level if this elective war did not take place at all. But none of it is a surprise, is it? Iran was on the list for a while now and last time I mentioned it on this forum, I was laughed, because "it didn't happen yet" either missing the concerted effort to make it happen or being part of the deflection campaign. | | |
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| ▲ | stavros 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "This is actually good news for the US." |
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| ▲ | globalnode 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| those satellite images are from the "enemy" lol |
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| ▲ | sieabahlpark 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
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