| ▲ | yehosef 2 hours ago |
| Is anyone concerned about these services and China’s National Intelligence Law? |
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| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| No because China can only do so much to me as someone who doesn't live there and never will. It's the same reason why I prefer vpns that are owned by countries outside my own. |
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| ▲ | yehosef 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Unless you're very careful, it's trivial to have my secrets to be sent to the LLM. If it reads your .env just to see the variable names, the secrets have been sent to the servers. Now - they probably don't care about you and your secrets - but it makes me more uncomfortable that they have them. This is true of anthropic or openai - but for some reason I think the us govt or anyone else will have a harder time getting to my data from them than the CCP will any chinese company. | | |
| ▲ | ndiddy an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > but for some reason I think the us govt or anyone else will have a harder time getting to my data from them than the CCP will any chinese company. US tech companies voluntarily give their data to the US government. Don't you remember PRISM? You think they stopped doing that? > Internal NSA presentation slides included in the various media disclosures show that the NSA could unilaterally access data and perform "extensive, in-depth surveillance on live communications and stored information" with examples including email, video and voice chat, videos, photos, voice-over-IP chats (such as Skype), file transfers, and social networking details.[2] Snowden summarized that "in general, the reality is this: if an NSA, FBI, CIA, DIA, etc. analyst has access to query raw SIGINT [signals intelligence] databases, they can enter and get results for anything they want."[13] | |
| ▲ | 2ndorderthought an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Why would two companies burning 100s of billions of dollars and are not profitable be safe keepers of your data when there is a huge market for all of that in the us and the us has really weak protections for those things so the companies can sell it to defense agencies? Thing is, either way your data is getting hoovered up. If not today then eventually. It's just a matter of where. If you work in an industry where nation states might want to do you irreparable harm then yea don't let your data leave the country. | |
| ▲ | 0xbadcafebee an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > for some reason I think the us govt or anyone else will have a harder time getting to my data US companies are required by law to hand over your data if given a warrant by USG. They don't need a warrant if they have a subpoena for less invasive data, or a FISA request. They can also ask without any justification, and see if the company will cough it up anyway (they often do). Any AI company with government contracts will want to give up data quicker so as not to threaten deals worth hundreds of millions. | |
| ▲ | protocolture an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | >I think the us govt or anyone else will have a harder time getting to my data than the CCP will any chinese company. Why? You dont think that 5 eyes cyber peeps use every advantage they can get? And on the way out leave a dusting of evidence pointing at the russkies or chinese? |
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| ▲ | striking an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's unlikely that you're special enough that someone will genuinely look through the massive amount of data produced by this system in order to target You Specifically. If you are that special you can just use another provider. From this line of reasoning, my guess is that the huge discount is not so much intended to sell the data collection system as much as it is intended to sell the model. If you had to wring a geopolitical consequence from this, it would be that the US labs producing models would be impacted by a vastly less expensive competitor. |
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| ▲ | missedthecue 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not for my purposes tbh. Enjoy my shitty javascript, Xi. |
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| ▲ | martin_henk 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| yes. imagine getting denied at the border or something because of data you shared with deep seek,WeChat or any other china centric service |
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| ▲ | 2ndorderthought 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Are you actually planning on travelling out of the country right now? It's probably not a good idea even if you don't use Chinese products, which by the way you definitely do. | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 an hour ago | parent [-] | | The people that travel out of the country are typically not the same ones aligned with the current administration. The vast majority of the MAGA base are more likely to not have a passport, while a large portion have probably never left their state. |
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| ▲ | peyton 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Definitely would select the frowny face if that happened. | | | |
| ▲ | mannanj 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | the US does that to you too, for not liking your opinions about particular parties or intelligence aparati. | | |
| ▲ | inerte an hour ago | parent [-] | | I think martin_henk is fully aware of that and it's why of all the examples of how a government can use your data, he picked this one... |
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| ▲ | mdni007 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No I'm more concerned with OpenAI and Anthropic AI models being used as a tool to murder brown people in the middle east for our "greatest ally". |
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| ▲ | protocolture an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| More worried about the Epstein regime |
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| ▲ | dyauspitr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Eh I’m using it for stuff where there is nothing proprietary or identifiable. |
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| ▲ | dancemethis 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Eh, I'd be more concerned about the Three-Letters and the One country that dropped an A-bomb. |
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| ▲ | serf an hour ago | parent [-] | | >the One country that dropped an A-bomb. i'd like to point out that the soviet RDS-3 was an airdropped A-bomb. I get that you mean 'in anger', but I don't feel that bad being a pedant against a propagandist statement that's also pedantically wrong. | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 an hour ago | parent [-] | | I don't think anyone will ever be confused by the "only country to use the bomb" in this context. Your pedantry is not something to not feel bad about as it does nothing constructive to the conversation | | |
| ▲ | orc00 an hour ago | parent [-] | | > the One country that dropped an A-bomb > "only country to use the bomb" I was confused. Two very different statements but I assume they refer to the US who dropped two A-bombs (Hiroshima and Nagasaki) in anger. | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | only different if you don't consider "the bomb" the way it is colloquially used. until today, i would have never considered saying "the bomb" would not have been understood as a nuclear weapon whether that was an a-bomb or an h-bomb. |
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| ▲ | ottomanbob 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I mean I can't believe I have to say this explicitly but it should be assumed that any data you send to China can and will be used against our interest by the CCP... |
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| ▲ | yehosef 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes! The only saving grace is that they have so many secrets, mine are not so important. | |
| ▲ | jrflowers an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Kicking myself when my little vibe coded widget to notify me when socks go on sale that does not and never has functioned properly is wielded as a mighty scepter to topple western hegemony | |
| ▲ | gverrilla an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Same with the USA. Difference is China is not bombing brown-skinned people every so often. | |
| ▲ | cleaning an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | "our"? |
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