And, more to the point, BYD exists because the CCP has been aggressively protectionist of its domestic companies and has been strongly involved in growing, supporting, and protecting its domestic industry to ensure it has one. BYD is not a cautionary tale about protectionism, it's a sales pitch for it.

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margalabargala 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well, different kinds of protectionism.

The CCP's protectionism is because China is going for a cultural victory. It wants Chinese products to be available and inexpensive and purchased around the world. It puts resources to that end.

The US's protectionism is for the enrichment of the CEO, board members, stockholders, and Executive Branch's family members. It wants to protect the domestic market from sending money somewhere other than the relatives of the people in power.

While they're both "protectionism" they're not the same policies.

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anonylizard 5 hours ago | parent [-]

It is just sad that commentary like this even exists.

I sincerely am curious of the education that produces sentences like this. On one hand it is articulate and educated, on the other hand its amazing that one can think China is doing this out of charity and not wiping out its competitors one after the other.

	▲	margalabargala 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I fear you badly misunderstood my comment if you think I think China is doing anything at all out of charity. China wants to supplant the US as the world hegemony and we'll all be worse off for it. The Chinese protectionism I described is China exercising an avenue they think will help them approach that goal. It certainly is not charity.
	▲	theendisney 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		One protects against forein interests the other against domestic. The west is all about relative wealth building China is building absolute wealth. To expand your fortune relatively other people have to lose. Its required.
	▲	monocasa 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I don't read that as doing it out of charity. A cultural victory is still a victory. China is very much playing to win.

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mrexcess 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hasn’t the US been equally so, including the auto company bailouts, government fleet purchases restricted to US-made vehicles, US national moves to secure supply chain inputs for the auto makers, etc.?

The main difference that I see isn’t protectionism, it’s that BYD took a direction the market wanted, whereas US auto makers have not produced vehicles that were appealing to consumers who had choices.

	▲	roughly 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		BYD's direction was largely at the behest of the Chinese government, who were willing to demand things of BYD in exchange for that protectionism, instead of wringing their hands and saying "nothing you can do about the market" while simultaneously propping up industries of national strategic significance.

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moi2388 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, it is not. From mass recalls to faking sales targets and finances, BYD is actually facing serious problems. As soon as their benefits stop they are going the way of Evergrande

	▲	cogman10 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		These aren't things unknown to other car manufacturers. Tesla, in particular, has suffered from mass recalls and faking sales. It also only really exists as a company because of government investment.