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plaidthunder 7 hours ago

The world before all of the big beautiful tariffs.

It's depressing that we can't buy BYD in the USA. It's feeling more and more like being stuck with a Lada in the 1980s.

leereeves 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Are BYD cars specifically banned or do they just not comply with all the US regulations?

plaidthunder 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

100% tariff and political threats -- implying that they'd find a way to mark them as "unsafe", despite the fact that Canada and Europe tend to have higher safety standards than the US and already have BYD presence.

You can see the political groundwork being laid here.

https://homeland.house.gov/2025/05/21/homeland-republicans-p...

If these concerns are so pressing, why do we allow any electronics at all from China?

It smells like air cover for a de-facto ban on BYD. To force US consumers to buy from politically blessed car makers instead of letting us choose the highest quality car available (at a given price point).

1234letshaveatw 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Some level of protectionism is in the best interest of national security. How is the local electronics industry that you referenced in the US doing? What is the ramification of eliminating the job market for engineers or discarding all of the US manufacturing know how? The CCP knows the answer to that question

plaidthunder 6 hours ago | parent [-]

The reason I called out Lada in my original comment is because it's a counterpoint to what you just said. The Lada was the result of too much protectionism. Produced from an empire that was too inward looking and feared interacting with the rest of the world on equal terms.

BYD keeps performing well in the rest of the world. If we hold US consumers hostage to prop up companies like Tesla, we risk allowing them to stagnate.

1234letshaveatw 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I prefer to take my chances on stagnation vs Chinese industrial hegemony

plaidthunder 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> stagnation vs Chinese industrial hegemony

I don't think we get to be stagnant and fend off Chinese industrial hegemony. It's not a symmetric bet.

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bdangubic 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

what has become of America where we are now scared shitless of China... oh well, i is what it is... America our ancestors built would have been like bring it on bitches and here we are "oh please, lets not let China in, our companies are subpar and we stand no chance against such a foe...

hdgvhicv 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

American exceptional used to be “we can do this no one else can”

Today it’s “everyone can do this but we can’t”

suburban_strike 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

When the accountant is sweating at the prospect of having the books reviewed by outside auditors, no explanation is necessary.

kube-system 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Global automakers typically make small modifications to vehicles for different markets. Cars, like most engineered products, are built to a list of design criteria. BYD, like every large automaker that does this, has capable engineers that can target any regulatory specification you give them. They already do it for all of the other markets they sell in, just as every global automaker does.

Chinese cars don't exist in the US because of laws specifically designed to prevent their sale here. The tariff for Chinese EVs was increased to 100% a couple of years ago when it was rumored that BYD was going to move to the US market. And currently, there is a bill circulating to ban them entirely.

mghackerlady 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I could see them going the Huawei (pun intended and apologised for)

ErneX 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I cannot answer your question but I visited China last year and the amount of different EVs they had was staggering. And really nice vehicles, I was very impressed with that.

haxtormoogle 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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csa 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Are BYD cars specifically banned or do they just not comply with all the US regulations?

Whatever the stated reasons are is one thing.

The biggest issue is that a network of BYDs in the US would be a massive intelligence coup.

It will never be permitted unless the intelligence aspect is addressed… if it can be.

kube-system 6 hours ago | parent [-]

That's the focus of the yet-to-be-passed bill that is circulating congress.

The patterns of aggressively tariffing foreign automakers for protectionism in the US long pre-dates any sort electronics in cars.

Lobbying forces in the US care deeply about the latter, not so much the former.

weirdmantis69 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ya I heard that from some chinese facebook users... oh wait...

IncreasePosts 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A BYD seal is basically comparable to a model 3, except it has a more classic car aesthetic as opposed to a giant screen. What are we missing out on?

Larrikin 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This shallow comparison could apply to any car. Are Toyota cars just Ford cars with a different logo?

Back when people used to buy Teslas, the company was notorious for how long it took to get repairs done. Even if BYD was exactly like Tesla theres many ways they could differentiate themselves if they were allowed in the US

cucumber3732842 6 hours ago | parent [-]

>This shallow comparison could apply to any car. Are Toyota cars just Ford cars with a different logo?

To a first order approximation yes.

The online discussion is dominated by fanboys who don't actually know squat and people who have an expensive purchase they need to feel justified in.

The differences between two competing cars of different makes is way, way, way less than these people will make it out to be.

senordevnyc 5 hours ago | parent [-]

You’ve just agreed with the vapid take, and added no new information of any value. All we know now is that YOU think all cars are basically the same, and that you think the people who disagree (the vast majority) are all idiots. But you’ve yet to make a case.

cucumber3732842 3 hours ago | parent [-]

No, I said the Internet is trash for these sorts of discussions because it's dominated by people with an agenda who blow things out of proportion.

These products are intentionally designed to be neck and neck. They're different, don't get me wrong. But they're all very close. Like a kid guessing the right answer on a math test. Things aren't the same, but the dumb fanboys who think that every Camry goes 500k on oil changes, every Tesla gets stuck in the shop forever, every American car handles like poo, etc, etc. Those idiots are wronger. You'd never be able to tell how different the cars are on those sorts of axis without fairly rigerous methods. And those people dominate the discussion.

vachina 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> What are we missing out on?

You’d never know because you never had a choice in the first place

nekooooo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

in a word, choice. also it's a much quieter car inside, despite being cheaper.

hokkos 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Freedom.

TremendousJudge 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

and what's the tesla equivalent for the BYD dolphin?

IncreasePosts 6 hours ago | parent [-]

There's more than one brand of car available in America... so it would probably be the Chevy Volt, the nissan leaf, or hyundai kona

plaidthunder 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Competition. Lower prices. Better repairability.

IncreasePosts 6 hours ago | parent [-]

A BYD seal is between $35k and $50k USD in various non US, non China countries that I checked Mexico, Germany, australia, Thailand.

Competition is great but it doesn't mean that the cars in America are bad. The lada was a failure of a car compared to other similar cars available elsewhere. That is not the case here.

plaidthunder 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I have one of the first runs of model 3s. It still runs perfectly. Great battery life. I'm happy with it. Nevertheless, I find it frustrating that I can't even consider buying a BYD as my next electric daily driver. Because when Tesla and BYD enter markets together Tesla is often getting creamed. That makes me curious as to why. This de-facto ban of BYD in the USA does nothing but encourage stagnation.

bdangubic 6 hours ago | parent [-]

> That makes me curious as to why

The why part is easy - Tesla is about as outdated of a car as it gets, it is practically same car and there are only few options. I own 2014 Model S and my neighbour has 2025 Model S - it is the same car when you look at it. We also got Model 3 (from many years ago) which was then blown up a little into Model Y and we have X from a decade ago. These are ancient cars. The tech inside may have improved but the offering is basically for my grandparents now.