> The only thing that actually matters is whether the business objective is achieved without any unintended side effects.

Objectives change; timeliness matters. The speed at which you deliver value is incredibly important, which is why it matters to measure your process. Deceptively dense is what I’d call software engineers who can’t accept that the process is actually generalizable to a degree and that lines of code are one of the few tangible things that can be used as a metric. Can you deliver value without lines of code?

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jazzypants 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Objectives change; timeliness matters. The speed at which you deliver value is incredibly important, which is why it matters to measure your process.

This assumes that shorter code is faster to write. To quote Blaise Pascal, "I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time."

> Can you deliver value without lines of code?

No, but you can also depreciate value when you stuff a codebase full of bloated, bug-ridden code that no man or machine can hope to understand.

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mcmcmc 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You seem determined to misinterpret. I’m not talking about LOC as a measure of productivity. The ratio of LOC needing review to the capacity of reviewers (using how many LOC can be read/reviewed over the sampling period) is what’s being discussed. Agentic AI/vibe coding has caused that ratio to increase and shows a bottleneck in the SDLC. It’s a proxy metric, get over yourself.

“All models are wrong, some are useful”. What’s not useful is constantly bitching about how there’s no way to measure your work outside of the binary “is it done” every time process efficiency is brought up.

	▲	jazzypants an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Yes, reading this back, I definitely veered off-topic. I apologize. I still don't think that you can say how much time it will take to review code based on how many lines of code are involved, but my argument was not well crafted. I just hope that others can learn something from our discussion. Thank you for being patient with me, and I hope you have a good day! :)