| how? It seems to be a popular subject lately. Dirty Jobs, leaving software jobs to become a trade. (Update: Electrician, Mechanic, Plumber, etc...) Lot of articles on this subject, and calls to bring back the old classes like home-econ, shop, etc... |
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| ▲ | prewett 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Holy orders? Haha, but, I'm going to say Holy Orders! Generally male, known for being single? [1] Spends of his time inside a building? Must master large quantities of esoteric knowledge? Not a path most people want to go? The role is to mediate the transcendent Potentiality to something usable by the common person? What he says is intelligible to those who know, but the field has a reputation for unintelligibility? The tech priesthood, however, makes even no attempt at renunciation of mammon, makes no effort to subordinate its animal nature to its higher nature, and its atheism draws no one higher than their animal natures. Well, except for the Gnostic ones, who seek to free themselves from matter into a digitally spiritual body, and the AI ones who boast that they can create sentient life themselves. We, the tech priesthood, have been building a temple, but it's beginning to look like the blueprint might turn out to be the Tower of Babel instead--pridefully ascending to Heaven [2] itself--instead what we thought we were building. [1] Priests can be women in some Anglican dioceses, and can be married if they are Anglicans or Orthodox. (Orthodox priests can only be married if they are already married before becoming a priest.) [2] In the ancient world, "Heaven" was not so much a place (that was "the heavens") as the realm of the Forms / Being / potentiality / Unity, so the Tower of Babel was, symbolically, Man seeking forcibly to take the divine upon himself. | |
| ▲ | Jtarii 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >If software isn't a trade what is it? A profession. Trades are things like electrician/plumbing/carpentry that you can typically become resonably competent in 2 or so years of training. | | |
| ▲ | downbad_ 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | You can't in software development? | | |
| ▲ | Jtarii 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | A Software Engineering degree typically takes 3+ years to get and then you have internships and onboarding that means it could take a novice ~5 years to actually start contributing in a meaningful way at a company starting from scratch. |
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| ▲ | rootusrootus 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Knowledge work, of course, meaning it pays well but is less honest than real work. But I agree with you. It’s a trade. Just more recent than plumbing. | | |
| ▲ | beardyw 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I often compare software to plumbing. No one else cares how it was done. | | |
| ▲ | WalterBright 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Much of software is a trade. But above a certain level, it is engineering. For example, in my discussions with electricians, they understand very well how to wire up a house. But they don't actually know very much about electricity. For example, they had no idea what I was talking about when I objected them running the phone lines through the same holes as the high voltage. I said that due to inductive coupling, the phone lines would acquire a 60 Hz hum. The phone lines had to be run at 90 degrees to the high voltage wires. They had no idea what inductive coupling was, whereas that's freshman electronics material. I wound up removing all the phone lines and rewiring them myself. No hum! | |
| ▲ | irishcoffee 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | To further it, nobody cares until it breaks. Then they still don't care, they just want it fixed as quickly as possible, cost be damned once you get to that point. Great analogy, I'm going to use this. |
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| ▲ | FrustratedMonky 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I get that sentiment. SE can feel like a trade some days. But we do sit at a desk and type a lot. That isn't crouching in crap. Maybe better description "smelly, dirty, uncofortable, jobs, that people generally don't want". |
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