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arian_ 3 hours ago

Anthropic renting out the data center Elon built for Grok is the kind of plot twist you can't make up.

brokencode 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Pretty smart for SpaceX though. They’re turning an asset they made for a money-pit (Grok) into probably a major source of revenue ahead of their IPO.

floatrock an hour ago | parent | next [-]

We all remember 2 weeks ago when SpaceX bought $10B of Cursor services. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47855293

Since Cursor often relies on Claude models, some of those services will flow back to their own datacenter compute. Especially if there's, lets call it, "customer demand loadbalancing optimization agreements" that makes those Cursor services prioritize Claude models using the app keys that get load-balanced onto the SpaceX datacenter.

Did SpaceX just spend $10B to rent out its own datacenter, juicing their recurring revenue metrics with their own AI services investment?

giwook 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

I don't think it's the conspiracy theory that you're making it out to be.

It is publicly known that the vast majority of deals in the AI space are circular in nature without the need for explicitly encoding any of it in a legal contract or even tacit agreements.

e.g. Nvidia has invested significantly in many AI companies including both Anthropic and OpenAI which rely heavily on Nvidia's hardware and will undoubtedly use some of said investment towards that end.

floatrock 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

Nvidia and Oracle are already public companies, they're just aiming for their next quarterly statements.

SpaceX is getting dressed for their debutante ball and is putting on the makeup to make a grand entrance on the auction floor.

Is there a difference? I legitimately have no idea. You are right that we can add another entry to the list of interconnected circular dealmakings. All this ain't gonna end well next time the music stops playing.

BrianGragg 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I see it more of lets make money off the hardware we are not using anymore.

From Elon on X: ... After that, I was ok leasing Colossus 1 to Anthropic, as SpaceXAI had already moved training to Colossus 2.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2052069691372478511

23rf 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Its not even that. Its better to be involved in the game with a leader/help out a competitor who is competing against someone you don't like and don't want them to win, than to sit it out.

giwook 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

cedws 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It was pretty obvious to me that the merger was a way of quietly shutting xAI down in a way that keeps investors happy. With it also being used as a vehicle to offload the Twitter debt to the public, he certainly has good accountants.

HarHarVeryFunny 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yep - and in the meantime it's an asset of SpaceX to boost their IPO price, as long as this is done before people realize that xAI is apparently becoming a datacenter company not an AI one.

Then you've got SpaceX buying 1200 cybertrucks from Tesla, so it's serving as failure laundering vehicle for all his endeavors.

charlieflowers an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not a merger, right, unless I missed something (admittedly skimming).

nprateem 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah it's corporate subprime. Bundle a load of overpriced "assets" with made up valuations into something that's actually valuable, then shove it on the public markets so everyone has to buy it in their index trackers.

dboreham 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm just relieved to read that it isn't in fact...in space.

aurareturn 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Plot twist but makes perfect sense for both companies.

Anthropic gets the compute they so desperately need to keep growing. Elon rents out compute that xAI couldn't make use of due to little demand for Grok. SpaceX gets revenue on the books for IPO.

PS. I want to translate this part:

  We’re very intentional about where we’ll add capacity—partnering with democratic countries whose legal and regulatory frameworks support investments of this scale
To real speak:

  We're putting profits above anything else. Yes, Elon is a far right guy who supported Trump, a president who isn't very democratic, but we're just really desperate for more money. We're also trying to make you forget that xAI is funded by Middle East non-democratic governments. Heck, we'll even buy compute from China if we can sell Anthropic models there.
VortexLain 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>we'll even buy compute from China if we can sell Anthropic models there.

Considering that Anthropic mass-bans Chinese users accounts based on using VPN (used to circumvent the Chinese firewall) and then demands an ID or a residence permit of a country where Claude officially works to ensure that the user doesn't live in China, seems unlikely.

aurareturn 2 hours ago | parent [-]

If the Chinese government tells Anthropic they can freely sell Claude in China, Dario is suddenly going to be kissing China's ass instead of saying how we can't let China win the AGI race for democracy and western values.

BrianGragg 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

After they told the US government no on a very large contract. I find that hard to believe.

2ndorderthought 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don't forget the whole, "maybe this will make it easier for xAi to distill anthropic models and we can make another attempt at mechahitler"

foobar_______ 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thank you for the "real speak" section. Accurate and hilarious.

toephu2 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> funded by Middle East non-democratic governments

What's the problem here exactly? Are you insinuating any non-democratic government is bad and evil and only democratic governments are the correct and right way to govern? sort of like: "there is only one true prophet, and it's the one I follow, and all the others are false!"

aurareturn 2 hours ago | parent [-]

No, I didn't say that.

My point is that Anthropic cares a lot about "democracy" but will buy compute from a data center mostly funded by non-democratic nations.

trollbridge an hour ago | parent [-]

Who do you think is the sources of funding for Anthropic's lead investors?

aurareturn an hour ago | parent [-]

Your tone suggests I'm unaware of the fact that Middle East money heavily invests in American AI companies and data centers.