> OpenAI submitted the journals as evidence in October that was initially sealed and then unsealed in January.

How does that work? How can a company submit a personal journal as evidence? That feels extremely intrusive

jeffwask 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

He kept them on his work laptop, and they were swept up in discovery. Don't ignore your security team when they talk about data protection and not doing personal business on work devices.

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cogman10 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Even if it were a notebook, it could end up in court. If someone sees you writing in a book and talks about it during discovery, you can end up with a court order to produce that book.

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bombcar 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Discovery can even be more broad - "provide all written or recorded messages involving this decision" and if you "forget" about your private diary and it's later found out, that's a paddlin'.

	▲	jeffwask 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Absolutely, they can be but your lawyers at least have a leg to stand on to push for exclusion. If they are just sitting next to the PowerPoint you gave on Tuesday, they will definitely be included.

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bombcar 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Discovery is terribly intrusive and invasive, more than you would ever think.

It's one of the huge reasons that lawsuits are often settled, because ain't nobody want all the dirty laundry aired.

Discovery asking for a peon's diary is likely to get squashed pretty easily, discovery asking for the president's personal diary is likely to be approved if there's an argument it applies (and likely you'll see what happened here, it's provided sealed, and if both sides agree it's applicable, it's unsealed).

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cogman10 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you learn anything from this, it's that anything you write can ultimately show up in court. You have no right to privacy and your written words, no matter where they are written, are subject to be taken as evidence.

Yes it feels intrusive, but it's literally the first thing a lawyer would ask for.

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pohl 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Launder your personal journal through an LLM, folks. That way the sentiments can't be provably your own.

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bombcar 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People should be up-to-date on discovery and LLMs, multiple cases of interactions with an LLM being subpoenaed.

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MassiveQuasar 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Subpoena my local llm logs. I wouldn’t hold my breath.

	▲	palmotea 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Subpoena my local llm logs. I wouldn’t hold my breath. Couldn't the subpoena your computer for forensic investigation?

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freejazz 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They'll just do discovery for the LLM interactions...

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pjc50 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Discovery is a lot more intrusive than people expect.

	▲	wafflemaker 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		>Discovery is a lot more intrusive than people expect. As an outside observer (from Europe), but with all my knowledge of law originating from American TV, Is it the same in other countries, or is American system special in the case of discovery?