Yeah, the Framers of the constitution felt the same as you and the 5th amendment used to apply to your belongings as well so a diary you wrote couldn't be used against you.

▲

bonsai_spool 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> your belongings as well so a diary you wrote couldn't be used against you

What's the history around this? And don't these protections only relate to criminal proceedings?

edit: seems the parent is referring to the historical entity of the mere evidence rule which isn't the same as saying that the Framers believed a certain interpretation for the 4/5th amendments.

	▲	JackFr 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The right against self-incrimination is limited in civil trials. Additionally, unlike criminal trials where a jury will be instructed that a defendant's refusal to answer cannot be construed as evidence, there is no such instruction in civil trials, and it is common to argue that a refusal to answer indicates hiding something.

▲

solomatov 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Could you share links about this? When it turned into a different interpretation?

	▲	lesuorac 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere_evidence_rule (4th and 5th overlap here but I generally just cite the 5th as the reason why the 4th applies is because of the 5th)

▲

4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

[deleted]

▲

pen1slicker 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

[dead]