| ▲ | StarFighter 16-Inch(us.starlabs.systems) |
| 177 points by signa11 4 hours ago | 92 comments |
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| ▲ | zamadatix 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| This page shows an image of a laptop motherboard with socketed memory https://us.starlabs.systems/cdn/shop/products/B5i7PCB-01x200... but it actually has BGA soldered LPDDR5X. I wonder why the price difference between the 8845HS and the 285H is more than the cost of some complete 8845HS based systems. Also a shame one can't opt out of the storage or accessories like (yet another) measly 65W USB C+USB A GaN charger. Other than those things, it actually looks decently exciting. I love the 16:10 + high resolution. Screen brightness isn't amazing, but also better than average. Glad to see 120 hz+ across all of the options. Privacy kill switch is great but the removable magnetic webcam seems a bit overkill/complicated given the kill switch (a simple physical slide would have been plenty as well). The hardware options aren't too bad for an open/Linux focused device. 6 USB ports + HDMI + audio ports is great, given the thickness it would have been cool to throw in a built in ethernet port, SD slot, and DP out to negate most of the need for the dock. If I hadn't already bought a laptop this year this would probably be high on my list. |
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| ▲ | miek 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Excellence. I like everything, and the open warranty is nice: "Our 1-year limited warranty allows you to take your computer apart, replace parts, install an upgrade, and use any operating system and even your firmware, all without voiding the warranty." I'd love to see more than 5 years of updates, but there is so much to love here, I can look past that! |
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| ▲ | sam_lowry_ 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Does it suspend to RAM with echo mem > /sys/power/state and stays there for a couple of weeks on battery? If not, I will keep my Intel Thinkpad T14 G2, The Last of the Mohicans that can. |
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| ▲ | theMMaI 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Most devices still support S3 sleep, it's just disabled by default as s2idle (modern standby) has become the default. You can almost always re-enable S3 sleep if you really want to, but on modern devices it typically only takes a few seconds to resume from S4 (suspend-to-disk) which technically is safer and more reliable. Also you can always use suspend-then-hibernate if you really want fast resume during the day, but long battery life when it's more than an hour or so. |
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| ▲ | tarjei_huse 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A framework competitor! Most of all I love the keyboard. Full size arrow keys as well as home, end and page up/down nearby. I wish framework laptops could come with multiple possible keyboard layouts like the one on the picture. |
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| ▲ | LorenDB 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I really like the detachable webcam gimmick - I'm sure that, like all gimmicks, it could prove frustrating sometimes, but it's a novel way to have both a decent webcam and thin bezels without notches, nose-facing cameras, etc. |
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| ▲ | wtallis 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is there something new here? The processor options seem to be two generation old Intel, one generation old Intel, and one generation old AMD. |
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| ▲ | miek 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I can't imagine the supply chain challenges inherent to startup laptop manufacturers. I think it's "go with what you have access to at reasonable prices, or forget about it. " | | |
| ▲ | wtallis 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think Framework is a good example of how smaller laptop OEMs end up shipping late, often on the order of three quarters. This is something else entirely, if any of these configurations are recent arrivals (I don't think they are). |
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| ▲ | aidenn0 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This might be driven by coreboot support? | |
| ▲ | dylan604 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I have the Intel Core i9 in my 2019 MBP, and it gets so damn hot. How do the ones offered here compare? I'm not one to upgrade frequently, but the heat of this thing makes me go looking. Luckily, it sits on a stand on a desk with more 9s than github is up. | | |
| ▲ | wtallis 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | A 2019 MacBook Pro would have an Intel Skylake processor (N-th re-release), made on Intel's stagnant 14nm process. The older Intel option for the StarFighter has its CPU cores made on an Intel process two generations newer, and the rest of the chiplets made by TSMC. The newer Intel option moves the CPU chiplet to TSMC as well. They're in a very different league for power efficiency than your current machine, both from the fab improvements and from having a microarchitecture that's not from 2015. | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Okay, but what does that mean for the temp of the case while sitting in one's lap. Can it be done without getting second degree burns? | | |
| ▲ | oofabz 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Every generation of CPU has high-power and low-power variants. The i9 is a high power variant that generates a lot of heat but what you want is the low power variant. I recommend looking for a used laptop with a Core Ultra 7 165U (<$500) or a Core Ultra 7 268V (>$1000). Maybe an HP EliteBook. Either one would be faster than your old i9 and run much cooler. | |
| ▲ | wtallis 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Case temperature is very much at the discretion of the laptop OEM. Some OEMs take regulatory limits on skin temperature seriously and ship a well-tuned thermal control system that keeps the case at a comfortable temperature. Others push close to the legal limits to keep fan noise in check. Others ship plastic enclosures so they can get away with even higher temperatures (since plastic has lower thermal conductivity than metal, and thus a harder time cooking your thighs) at the expense of more noise. The StarFighter has a metal case, so when running at high power levels (45W sustained according to the spec sheet) it will either get uncomfortably hot somewhere on the case or at least a bit noisy from the fans, but since it's a bit thicker than the 2019 MacBook Pro it should be able to cool itself more effectively. But when running at the performance level you're used to the power draw should be plenty low enough to make temperature and fan noise not a problem: roughly double the peak CPU performance means you can turn down the power limits a lot and still have a better-performing machine. |
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| ▲ | sho_hn 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is lovely. I'd love it if this or the Framework Pro also had OLED options, though. My aging Thinkpad P1 (1st Gen) has a great LCD, but it's also the last non-OLED screen in my life, and I don't think I can buy another laptop without it. In fact it would be a purchase decision driver/upgrade incentive for me. This and longer battery life. Even though I build lots of C++ code, I still don't think I need more than the Xeon in the P1, horse-power wise. |
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| ▲ | colordrops 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | For sure, once you go OLED you don't go back. It's like going back to a mouse with a ball. | | |
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| ▲ | sillysaurusx 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| One of the best investments I’ve ever made was to get an 8TB drive for my laptop. Never having to worry about disk space again is so nice. Consider it if you’re in the market for a new laptop. |
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| ▲ | steve_adams_86 20 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Does it ever worry you that all 8TB could fail in one place? Do you have redundant drives (like two 4TB or four 2TB drives)? I'd be worried about having all of my storage in one place. I like to back up data to more than one place if it's important, and never have huge on-device storage because if something happens to damage it, I'm assuming it's game over for all on-device storage (rather than only part of it). I'd rather my storage was safe and cozy in some place far from where my laptops go. But if you're not all that worried and happen to do data-intensive work or something, awesome, 8TB sounds like a dream. |
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| ▲ | fabiensanglard 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Opensource firmware? Does it mean this machine has the potential of having amazing battery life since it can be fully programmed? I am talking as close to MacBook Pro level (not accounting for arm vs intel/amd difference). |
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| ▲ | mvkel 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The Dell XPS and Framework laptops already far exceed MacBook Pro battery life. | | |
| ▲ | seabrookmx 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The Framework 13 absolutely does not touch the MacBook Pro battery life in any of its current configurations, though the upcoming 13 pro promises to. I have a Ryzen 5 AI 340 powered machine and average about 6 hours. I might be able to stretch that to 7 if I dimmed the screen a bunch and only did light web browsing. This is closer battery life to MacBook Neo, not an Air or Pro under the same workload. | |
| ▲ | sam_lowry_ 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | O'rly? Also when suspended to RAM? Framework AMD versions specifically? | | |
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| ▲ | zx8080 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Same-size cursor keys (with the whole line and without any distinction) is such an ill-design decision. Nice to show in the presentation slide deck, but hard to actually use blindly. |
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| ▲ | fagnerbrack 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I like to use laptop in the beach. No glare means I can see it even with the sun light reflecting? |
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| ▲ | lorenzohess an hour ago | parent [-] | | Based on my experience with the System 76 Lemur Pro coming from a Macbook Pro, matte helps a bit. You won't have mirror glare like on the Macbook, but the sun will still wash out the matte screen. |
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| ▲ | benoau 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Jeez what an amazing month for premium Linux laptops. |
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| ▲ | fishgoesblub an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Looks generic, and has the stereotypical abysmal keyboard and trackpad as any laptop made in the past 10+ years. Put this in a room with a few other laptops and it'd be hard to pick it out from the crowd. The only thing it has going for it are the raw specs, but it's eventually marred by the price for what is a poor typing and trackpad experience. |
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| ▲ | happymellon 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > Looks generic, and has the stereotypical abysmal keyboard and trackpad as any laptop made in the past 10+ years. I wasn't aware that generic laptops had moved to haptic touchpads and up-firing speakers over ten years ago... | |
| ▲ | ghostpepper an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | They claim it has a haptic trackpad, so I don't think that's what most manufacturers use. |
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| ▲ | fragmede an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No fingerprint sensor. |
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| ▲ | orliesaurus an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Can I run local LLM models on this? There's no reference to it in the marketing. |
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| ▲ | binary132 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Every new $3000 computer I see just makes me glad I bought a Snapdragon X2 laptop. |
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| ▲ | walrus01 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| For the price I was expecting actual wifi 7 (802.11be standards compliant) and USB3.2 10 Gbps capability on the type A ports. |
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| ▲ | SilentM68 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Those are nice looking machines. I don't see any mention of high-end GPUs, though. Do you offer any models that include heavy-duty GPUs for the more usually beefier AI stuff? |
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| ▲ | analog8374 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| does anybody do built-in trackballs anymore? I really like those. |
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| ▲ | SilverElfin 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They aren’t US based right? Does that mean tariffs for US shipping? Are these a good pick for a non-programmer who is interested in Linux but intimidated by it? |
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| ▲ | ufmace 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Looks like they're UK based. I don't know, but apparently tariffs etc are factored into the shipping fees shown on their site. If you're not sure if you want to go Linux yet, it's probably best to try a live USB stick of a few distros on your existing hardware. Get a feel for what the interface is like, how things work, how it works on your hardware, etc, without actually changing anything. Seems like a better bet to me than buying all-new hardware. | |
| ▲ | jxcole 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Have you tried it out? https://askubuntu.com/questions/629632/can-you-boot-ubuntu-s... | | |
| ▲ | SilentM68 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You can also use Ventoy to boot the ISOs which is somewhat easier in my view. | |
| ▲ | SilverElfin 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | A long time ago. But I ran into all sorts of issues. It was a struggle getting things like Bluetooth or WiFi working. And I just couldn’t get myself to feeling like I could ‘trust it’. Like that I wouldn’t break it and somehow lose all my data in th process. | | |
| ▲ | fragmede an hour ago | parent [-] | | That's a reasonable fear! But the solution to that is to set up backups, no matter what the operating system you're on. |
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| ▲ | d3Xt3r 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Check out System76 and Framework, they're based in the US and ship Linux machines. |
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| ▲ | uoaei an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Tried and failed to beat Framework to market. Frankly I'm hopeful that Framework beats this offering out, though I'm happy for the competitive pressure. |
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| ▲ | paulpauper 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| lol Up to 18 hrs battery life if you put it in sleep mode maybe. why do people keep lying about battery life? |
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| ▲ | bigyabai 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | A couple weeks ago, Framework livestreamed a rundown of their 13" laptop lasting over 20 hours on a charge. I can believe the 16" gets there too. | | |
| ▲ | bryanlarsen 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That was a Panther Lake based laptop. Lunar Lake laptops can also last well over 12 hours, even in Linux. This StarFighter offers neither Lunar Lake nor Panther Lake, so 18 hours is probably only under really ideal circumstances. | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well, it's running Linux, so close the lid and turn off the screen. Then, SSH into it like a good Linux machine. |
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| ▲ | paulpauper 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | With wifi and usage? I have never gotten more than 3 hours with wifi and regular usage. Maybe this one is different. | | |
| ▲ | seabrookmx 2 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I reliably get 6 hours out of my Framework 13 with the Ryzen 5 340. And that's with multiple IDE's, 20 browser tabs, full screen brightness. I'm running the latest Fedora without any power saving tweaks.. just stock. It's not MacBook good but it's much better than 3hrs :) |
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| ▲ | miek 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Light usage on low brightness? Nice to know it will last for a long flight. |
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| ▲ | ekianjo 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No cachyOS or Arch install options. Proposing Manjaro in 2026 is major clueless |
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| ▲ | dwighttherobot an hour ago | parent [-] | | I have no experience with cachyOS, so can't comment there, but I don't see the point in offering pre-installed Arch. I'd say most Arch users are fairly picky and opinionated about their setup, and would choose to reinstall anyway. |
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| ▲ | operatingthetan 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It would have been better if they didn't make it look a little bit too inspired by the Macbook Pro. |
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| ▲ | bryanlarsen 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There isn't exactly a lot of design freedom in a black rectangle with a screen a keyboard and a touchpad. A real Macbook copy would include Macbook misfeatures, like: - control key in wrong place
- camera notch
- half sized arrow keys | | |
| ▲ | operatingthetan 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | >There isn't exactly a lot of design freedom in a black rectangle with a screen a keyboard and a touchpad No, every laptop does not look exactly the same and they are not all macbook clones. |
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| ▲ | sho_hn 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think in reality it will look/feel a fair bit different due to the ceramic-coated material. Asus has similar materials in recent models I believe; I rather like it. | |
| ▲ | wussboy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What a boutique criticism | |
| ▲ | dylan604 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | And what design would you rather them emulate? | |
| ▲ | jjtheblunt 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | why? | |
| ▲ | dustfinger 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | 100 |
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| ▲ | ilaksh 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Says nothing about AI capability or even graphics. I am skeptical about the value. |
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| ▲ | cr125rider 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is satire, right? | | |
| ▲ | ilaksh an hour ago | parent [-] | | No, AI capabilities of some sort are obviously important. But I know a lot of people don't appreciate that. But you aren't seriously suggesting that graphics hardware is irrelevant are you? |
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| ▲ | AngryData 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I don't know how anybody can stand not having a numpad. |
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| ▲ | pmontra 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I never use my numpad. I use the numbers in the top row of the keyboard. I'd be super happy to yank my numpad out of my laptop, move the keyboard a little bit to the right and center align it with the center of the screen. My head would be centered with the middle of the screen too. Unfortunately I had to settle with that keyboard because every other laptop was a worse tradeoff. | |
| ▲ | d3Xt3r 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I never used it. Well, I lie, I did use it back in the day for playing some DOS games where you had to share your keyboard with your friend... But all my keyboards have been TKL over the past 15+ years and I don't miss it. I don't know why anyone needs to use a numpad unless they're in a job where they work a lot with numbers. And if you're not in such a role, what is your hobby exactly that demands so much number punching? | |
| ▲ | eviks 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Easy - by moving numpad to your main keyboard with a modifier so you don't need to move your hand just to type numbers | | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I bought a bluetooth 10-key. I use the home/end keys religiously when editing in an NLE, and it drove me crazy trying to be a road warrior without it. After having the external, I prefer it as it is full size instead of trying to squeeze it into the laptop frame size. So not having the numpad on the laptop is a-okay for me | |
| ▲ | wtallis 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I only use a number pad for playing a few games, and for bulk data entry. Neither of those use cases are something I prefer using my laptop for, and even on my desktops they're rare enough that I'd much rather have the number pad separate and largely out of the way. What do you use a number pad for often enough to not only see it as mandatory for you, but to leave you unable to imagine how anyone could live without it? | |
| ▲ | CarVac 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I do number entry with the number row. 8 fingers > 3 fingers. | |
| ▲ | K7PJP an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I do not understand why a numpad is considered a necessity by some. I never used it when I had them. Do you work in data entry? | | |
| ▲ | eviks 35 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Because it's way more convenient to type numbers, and no, you don't need to work in data entry to enter data / appreciate this convenience |
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| ▲ | miek 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | For serious work, I'm docked and using a large monitor, split keyboard, etc. Many people make concessions when on a laptop. | |
| ▲ | frankmatranga 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What do you use yours for? All I’ve ever missed it for was the default Blender keybinds for the camera perspective |
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