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michaelt 3 hours ago

It's pretty simple to understand - when a user opens a tool, it's because they want to do the thing that tool does, now.

If someone opens my videoconferencing product 98% of the time it's they've got a scheduled call to join within the next 20 seconds. They're not going to be late for their meeting so they can read my release notes.

If someone opens my PDF viewer, 99.9% chance they want to view the PDF they just opened. Very rare someone opens the PDF reader because they're just having a look around to see if there are any interesting new features.

If someone opens my virtual whiteboard product, 95% chance they're in some sort of sprint review meeting and they want to write some virtual post-it notes right now. A tour isn't what they need.

If someone opens the ticket management product, or the expense report filing product, or the music playing product... you get the picture.

faangguyindia an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I've never liked those "focus hijacking guided tours" and never really followed through any such onboarding process.

But they are so common, i don't know who designs them and makes me feel like 5yo.

You gotta understand, people will use the product you made, in a way that makes sense to them, not according to your devised "one way". And that's fine because it allows user to own his workflow using your product.

I like the "checklist" and "load sample data" approach better.

This is primary reason perhaps why my apps are growing fast.

debarshri 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thats true for point solutions. You often dont find a guided product tour there.

Guided tour does have its place where the product is a workflow, a platform offering, has bunch of features and you want to introduce the feature to them.

If you are paying 10-25k USD per year, you expect some onboarding specialist who gives instructions on integrating ACH and payroll systems etc. It is very common for non-technical folk to hop on a onboarding call.

People often try to automate that as it is expensive, but i think people prefer that human touch esp. when you are paying alot of money.

rcxdude 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Also because generally in those cases you don't really want a guided tour of the whole product, you have a problem you want solving and you would like to see how to solve that problem with the product. Which either talking to a person who knows the product or reading through some documentation/guides does, but a guided tour generally does not (or at least does not do efficiently).

wffurr 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Actually I get interrupted by a tour or popup when using a "point solution" all the time.

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the_snooze 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Too much of modern consumer-facing software think they're the ends, not the means.

davnicwil an hour ago | parent | next [-]

this is so true and I think it's very instructive to have a regular look through this lens when thinking about building something.

You've got to think and care deeply about what you're creating while at the same time understanding it's of approximately zero interest to those who you're building for outside certain key moments of interaction. Try to just nail those as much as possible and beyond that, get out of the way.

I think this is the core of good design, that things make sense, are nice, and well explained to the point they are even fun to discover and explore when you care to go looking for them. If you don't care to, they're invisible and out of your way.

zbentley an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

But but but … how else will we turn a minor value add into a sticky source of recurring revenue? After all, there are no other profitable business models.

anitil 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Often I see that there's a new feature, and I'm interested in it, but my options are do the demo now, or hide it. But I want to do it later! I'm admittedly terrible at operating GUIs, so maybe it's just a me issue

edoceo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I want that too. Most of these tours interfere. A pattern I like is just a little dot indicator where the new thing is. It's not in the way. But if I click the dot, or it's menu item, then I see the tour.

Don't get in my face when I'm trying to get task done. Ain't nobody got time for that!

pancomplex 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

100% - that's why it's so confusing why PMs/PMMs think they need to keep adding these to their products.

drdaeman 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> so confusing why PMs/PMMs

Because their goal metric is number of tasks closed/features delivered (and this counts as one), not customers satisfied.

Plus, social parroting - a misconception that if it's popular and everyone does it it "can't be wrong".

monkpit 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My kids’ school uses a web portal to add money to their lunch accounts. My only task when I open this website is to pick an amount and click submit and give them my money.

Whose idea was it to show me a “what’s new” popup of all the jira tickets they closed in the last sprint?

What’s new? Nothing is new. It works just like it used to. Just take my money and leave me alone, please.

AnimalMuppet 2 hours ago | parent [-]

But if you have (through whatever process) sent them a complaint that, say, "it doesn't work right using Firefox X.Y running on Windows 7", then those release notes might in fact be interesting to you. So there actually is a reason for you to be able to see them. Not for them to get in your way, though. 99% of the people won't care.

zbentley an hour ago | parent [-]

99% won’t care, and 59% will find the what’s-new popup actively confusing, distracting, and hostile. Bad trade.

iqp 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

New users are probably the only ones who really need guided product tours. If I'm a longtime existing user I'm far less likely to be interested in a guided tour.

asalahli an hour ago | parent [-]

Even then, a new user account doesn't necessarily mean a new user.

Every time I start on a new job, I have to click through Slack's, Github's and many other dev tools' stupid guided tours for the hundredth time