All of the German car makers, plus Hyundai, are very serious about making really good mainstream electric vehicles because they all believe that will be their core of their business sooner rather than later.

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thrownawaysz 20 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> All of the German car makers

The basic Seat Leon combi is currently 22.000€ on promotion. And that's a spacious family car. No EV car exist at that price point in that size with a range that most people would be comfortable with it.

Yes they will exist in the future but we are still a decade away from that at least.

	▲	bluebarbet 19 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		>we are still a decade away How much will you spend on fuel during that decade? Seems likely it will be more than today's upfront cost differential. Possibly a lot more.
	▲	tpm 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		> No EV car exist at that price point in that size with a range that most people would be comfortable with it. Disregarding the range because that's a different topic. Fundamentally EVs will be of a different size than ICEs because the big and heavy battery has to placed somewhere low, which is usually under the passenger area floor. Then the car must be higher to accomodate that and also sturdier etc., so at that point we have a bigger and heavier car for the same interior space. And also pricier of course. So it's better to forget the Seat Leon Combi and look at the EVs with fresh eyes. Or you can retrofit an EN to a ICE shell, like Stellantis did with eg the Opel Astra TS which is also cheap for an EV, but mostly everyone agrees this is a dead end. One more point regarding the price - that's our own (EU) making. Chinese EVs in China are much much cheaper.
	▲	izacus 20 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Average price of sold new car in EU is around 45.000 so what exactly is your point?

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mjhay 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Coulda fooled me. From what I’ve seen, it seemed like they were dragged to electric kicking and screaming after other options didn’t pan out - even with assistance from regulators. Germany has a severe problem with rational consideration of energy issues.