I don't think that really helps. If you believe rocks are conscious, then does extracting minerals resources cause them pain? Do plants suffer when we pick their fruits and eat them? I don't see any behavioral or physical reason to think those things have conscious states.

As for what consciousness is, it's pretty simple. You're sensations of color, sound, etc in perception, dreams, imagination, etc. The reason to dismiss LLMs as being conscious is those sensations depend on having bodies. You can prompt an AI to act like it's hungry, but there's really no meaning to it having a hungry experience as it has no digestive system.

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Jtarii 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>As for what consciousness is, it's pretty simple.

2000+ years of philosophical thought would disagree. I don't believe biological stuff has a magic property that embues some intangible "consciousness" property. It makes more sense to me that consciousness is just a fundamental property of all matter.

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altruios an hour ago | parent [-]

> consciousness is just a fundamental property of all matter ... Does that really make more sense than as an emergent property of the arrangement of matter?

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Jtarii 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

Consciousness is something you can perceive, so it must have some physical presense in the universe, which must be through some fundamental property of matter, in my opinion.

The ability to be aware of consciousness itself as some process that is happening elevates it above a mere emergent property to me.

	▲	altruios 2 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> The ability to be aware of consciousness itself as some process that is happening. But a process is not a physical presence... A wave is made of things, but is not those things, waves emerge: why not then every process?

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dijksterhuis 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

you’ve misunderstood.

everything is consciousness. not everything has consciousness.

very different