| ▲ | munificent 4 hours ago |
| I have a pet theory that much of what we're seeing culturally is that the 90s and early 2000s (at least in the US) was a window of time that offered a sense of safety and surplus. 9/11 was extremely culturally disruptive, but aside from that, for many in the US, it felt like there was "enough to go around". That environment breeds a lot of creativity, innovation, whimsy, and doing things for their own sake. But that time has clearly ended. With climate change, the erosion of the social safety net, decay of faith in institutions, economic inequality, politics, etc., we are in an extremely tense time with a pervasive sense of scarcity. In some fundamental ways, it feels like there isn't enough to go around and people are scrabbling to get what they can while they can. That psychological environment is not conducive to art and fun. It sucks. |
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| ▲ | DarkNova6 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The whole structure has changed. We are not even in the web 2.0 anymore and regressed to a client-server model where what we see is dictated from central platforms with little interaction between actual users. This was not a natural evolution of the web but the consequence of low-tech people accessing the web passively via a tiny touchscreen. |
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| ▲ | creamynebula an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | More like a consequence of capitalism, as big tech companies used their massive capital to instrumentalize and develop knowledge to keep mostly everyone dependent and addicted to their systems. Due to the way capitalism work, when a push back against it through public policies was staged, they bought their way out of regulation of their toxic platforms and were allowed to retain their monopolies. | |
| ▲ | packetlost 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There are pockets of this on the internet, but you really have to go out of your way to find it | |
| ▲ | pseudalopex 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The central platforms began before smart phones were common. | |
| ▲ | sandy_coyote 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Tragedy of the Commons. It was around 2012 when my reactionary boomer relatives started trying to friend me on Facebook, wondering what the kids were all talking about. |
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| ▲ | nibbleyou 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I too have felt the same around me. There is this lack of faith in the institutions now, feeling of distrust. Someone on HN called this the era of shamelessness and I kind of agree to it. The top has gotten shameless and the people at the bottom are trying to scrabble whatever they can to become one of them so that they can escape this hellhole that has been created. |
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| ▲ | randomNumber7 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Definitely the fish stinks from the head. I'm also a bit confused about how the people on the top think this will play out. A long time ago there was a french saying
"noblesse oblige", or the german pendant "Wohlstand verpflichtet". | | |
| ▲ | munificent 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > I'm also a bit confused about how the people on the top think this will play out. I don't know if they are really capable of thinking of the second and third order effects of what they're doing. There is something psychologically broken about many of the ultra-rich today where their behavior comes across as compulsive. When you have a hole in your soul that can't be filled with a billion dollars, it simply can't be filled, and that black hole drives much of their behavior. You look at people like Trump and Musk, and they seem... miserable. Like, have you ever heard Trump have a genuine laugh of joy? Not the sort of sneering snicker of a bully, but one that comes from delight? Because I haven't. We are all at the mercy of their actions, but it's almost like they're at the mercy of their irrational compulsions too. Not that I'm saying they are deserving of sympathy or aren't responsible for their actions. But if we're looking for someone to pump the brakes on the crazy that's happening these days, it's sure as hell not going to be those hollow men. | |
| ▲ | thatguy0900 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't like being conspiratorial but it genuinely feels like the people at the top know some major catastrophe is coming and are just grabbing whatever resources they can while they can before retreating to their bunkers. Even the white house is trying to build a massive underground bunker using the ballroom on top as a excuse. I don't see why else they would all be willingly destroying society as they are right now unless they don't think it matters. |
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| ▲ | yifanl 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Realizing that the average CS graduate can't expect to make 100k on a career of centering divs has been more disruptive to the the American psyche than 9/11. |
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| ▲ | the_real_cher 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | How reductionist. | |
| ▲ | tristor 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's not that the average CS grad can't expect to make 100k, it's that when that was the case 100k was a meaningful amount, now the same purchasing power requires 235k and almost nobody is making 235k in any job role, career pursuit, or field of study. Those that are making 235k aren't experiencing the same lifestyle because they don't exist in the same context, they exist in a context where they're surrounded by depression, scarcity, scrounging, and know that their time could be up at any moment. The world is in a different place, and while it's funny to joke about how privileged tech people are, the net effect is that we've lost one of the most accessible refuges into a decent career for people. Many of us in tech, including myself, got into this without even a CS degree using free resources online and through libraries to learn about computers and build skills. It's basically inconceivable for anyone who is ambitious and a self-starter to build a career outside of extremely competitive, hierarchical, formal lines in 2026 except maybe as a social media influencer, which is probably why most people under 25 say their dream/goal is to become an influencer. It's their only shot at not being stuck in a state of permanent grinding misery to uphold wealthy elites. | | |
| ▲ | yifanl 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I wasn't joking, just trying to compact my thoughts. The lifestyle and abundance we sold the last generation of university students turned out to be wholly out of reach for all but the luckiest and most well-connected, and that disillusion is why we feel so much like crap, even when we point out we're still objectively far ahead of the global average. | |
| ▲ | prewett 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This sounds like a bit of romance for the past, and if any software developers are thinking about "grinding misery", it wasn't any better in the past. My salary as a junior developer in the early 2000s was about $60k, on average. I met someone who had given up a $100k networking job (to do church ministry), and I remember $100k feeling like a number that was just not ever going to be in the realm of possibility for me. Now all the numbers have gone up, but the relatively percentages are about the same. (Except commercial rent, that is a terrible value in my area, but housing prices are reasonable.) |
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| ▲ | joe_mamba 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's not the end of the world though. Not everyone has to be a CS graduate. There's other professions out there. | | |
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| ▲ | clickety_clack 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you feel that way then you have to question what it is that you’re doing that puts you in a place where you are made to feel that way. Many people (most that I know) don’t feel that way. It may be the online communities that you are in or the news you consume, and the great news about that is that is stuff that is not only optional; you choose to consume it. You can just stop consuming it. |
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| ▲ | energy123 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's significantly an Anglosphere thing. Look at the recent world happiness survey and all the English-speaking countries are taking a nose dive in relative ranking versus other countries. Meanwhile world GDP is increasing. I have a handful of idiosyncratic hypotheses, that I view as stacking on top of the more general cause of inflation and inequality: - Western hegemony is weakening. Russia is attacking, China is gaining in strength, and many former backwaters are gaining ground. This creates uncertainty. In 1991, the US was the supreme undisputed hegemon. - Global Social media is significantly English, and the US is the center of the now globalized culture wars, so there's no linguistic barriers to the resulting pathologies. The online world feels borderless and chaotic. - There is now sectarian strife within English-speaking countries due to different moral tribes (some of those tribes being recent immigrants) living in the same country when there wasn't before. This is a new phenomenon in living memory in the Anglosphere. - Russia and Iran are running cognitive warfare and other operations to destabilize social cohesion in the Anglosphere. Examples: (i) online - Gucifer, Internet Research Agency, (ii) real world - paying local gangsters to attack minorities. | |
| ▲ | munificent an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > what it is that you’re doing that puts you in a place where you are made to feel that way. I live in the US, read the news, and have relationships with other people. I lived through a global pandemic several years ago and know people who lost loved ones. Now the head of HHS in the US doesn't believe in vaccines. My kids go to school and we've had multiple lockdowns because of shootings nearby. My company and all of the similar companies I might work at have been doing rolling layoffs the past few years. A guy attempted an insurrection and then somehow got himself back in office. We started a pointless war in Iran. My tax dollars went to killing schoolchildren. I had to get air conditioning installed after being comfortable without it for a decade because of climate change. The ultra-rich have a larger fraction of wealth then we've seen at least since the era of robber barons. My daughter is trying to figure out where to go to college and I don't know what to tell her because I don't know what careers will exist after AI. If you don't think the world is going through some shit right now, I don't know what to tell you. | |
| ▲ | apsurd 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You can feel how you feel and understand how and why people feel how they feel too. Instead, reads like you're blaming the victim. Shoulda worked harder in school! | | |
| ▲ | clickety_clack 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If you spend all day on Reddit or twitter etc., and you say “all these Reddit and twitter things are making me feel sad and anxious”, then you can’t avoid all the blame for making yourself feel that way. | |
| ▲ | GMoromisato 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If my choice is "work harder in school" or "wait for the system to fix itself" I think the rational choice is the former. Wisdom is accepting that you can only control what you can control, and to focus on that. |
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| ▲ | seydor 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| 90s had much less wealth concentration than today. Truth is everything rots over time, there is no escaping from entropy. |
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| ▲ | vardalab 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I think it's as simple as Citizens United and wealth inequality exploding. |