| ▲ | functionmouse 4 hours ago |
| I agree, but it's been said by all... make homebrew software for an old Nintendo console pick up cross stitching or weaving make an independent film with a friend; use stuff from your kitchen as props find a borderline functional instrument at your local thrift store write a 1 page short story in pen it's not enough anymore to merely criticize this bad time we're having |
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| ▲ | jonhohle 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Even the fun things “on the internet” are mostly still possible, it’s just the bulk of things we do now are not fun and main companies aren’t quirky risk takers but the oil/train/steel barons of our day. In the past few years I’ve done serveral of the things on your list in earnest and they are all easier to do today (specifically technical things) than they were 25 years ago (except maybe writing with a pen). Edit to add: if I have to join another messaging platform for a single, specific group I’m going to move to the woods and require written correspondence. It’s automated phone service level of frustration. |
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| ▲ | coffeebeqn 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Don’t try to make money from it and you can still do fun things in life | | |
| ▲ | damnesian 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | many livings are based on it now, though. I guess platforms like TikTok might better be thought of as "want to peep in on what a bunch of people do for money now?" which makes it feel (paradoxically, since it is a performance) a bit invasive and unseemly. | |
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| ▲ | fragmede 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | How do you balance that with the need for money to afford things in life though? There's a lot of things I could go do if I didn't have to think about bills to pay. | | |
| ▲ | armchairhacker 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | How did they in the 1990s/2000s/2010s? | | |
| ▲ | doctorwho42 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Lower cost of living and higher incomes when compared to purchasing power of a dollar. | | |
| ▲ | armchairhacker 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Do you have sources? Because my understanding is that medium income/inflation increased | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That and also people weren't paying for Netflix, Disney+, PlayStation online, ChatGPT+, etc Edit: Also people were having more kids back then and earlier in life, so they had less time for hobbies and "finding one's self", they'd be busy with their kids and work. The bored DINKS with free time looking for hobbies is a relatively recent phenomenon in western societies (10-15 years). | | |
| ▲ | ninth_ant 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > That and also people weren't paying for Netflix, Disney+, PlayStation online, ChatGPT+, etc Its disingenuous to describe those new expenses without considering those that largely have been replaced. It used to be normal to pay for cable TV which was outrageously expensive. They used to go to movie theatres on a regular basis, and collect physical media for movies and music and games and tv. Etc. | | |
| ▲ | ghaff an hour ago | parent [-] | | And pay $1 a minute for long distance and even not so long distance calls. Not sure how everything balances out inflation and function adjusted but not convinced entertainment is broadly more expensive these days. |
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| ▲ | simianparrot 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nobody needs to pay for any of that | | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Says who? Please define your definition of the word "needs" here in this context. With this logic, nobody also "needs" to buy a Ford F-250 Super Duty, a MacBook Pro M5, an RTX 5090, a recreational boat, drink Starbucks daily, etc if your definition of "needs" is just limited to day survival meaning just providing food and shelter but nothing more, and yet people buy them anyway, because it's entertainment, not because they need them to survive. People will still want escapism and entertainment ESPECIALLY when their lives suck, like in times of economic depression, be it cigarettes, booze, junk food, porn, games, gambling, movies and TV shows, etc, even if you think people don't "need" them. This is how people function. It's scientifically documented. | | |
| ▲ | dgellow 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | What a stretch to go from cars and luxury laptop to daily survival |
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| ▲ | nickthegreek 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | People were paying $150/mo cable bill. | | |
| ▲ | AlexandrB 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Don't forget that's $150/month in 90s dollars! It's like having a $300/month subscription to streaming services today. |
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| ▲ | grahamburger 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In the 90s, my parents made at least 50% more than I do (for similar work, not inflation adjusted), bought a house almost twice as big as mine in a nicer area for 25% less than mine, and traveled internationally for what it costs me to take my kids camping. Well, maybe that last one is a slight exaggeration, but the rest isn't. | | |
| ▲ | irishcoffee 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I typed out a very snarky response which was in complete agreement with your point, and erased it. You're right. The economy is... fucked. The "great wealth transfer" will be vacuumed up quickly, and it'll get worse. World of Warcraft (of all things) had this kind of issue with stats and damage numbers getting into the absurd range, so they did a stat crunch. We need a global stat crunch. |
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| ▲ | opto 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well in the 90s and early 2000s you really could make money as a small local artist in a niche genre. Think of the people who could cut 500 white labels of their new UK Garage tune and reasonably expect to sell them from the back of their car and turn a decent profit on it. The ability to be a small time artist, musician, etc and live in the 90s depended on the combined effects of technology and local organisations. You could play on pirate radio, you could go on benefits without too much hassle, you could stay at a squat, you could make your own physical products cheaply, there were lots of venues to play at, you could sell your products for cash and keep it. The internet makes the distribution of music files cheap and easy, but combined with the increased technologising of society, the rest of the infrastructure that made the 90s a time where culture felt like it was on an e-rush with everyone else have fallen apart. | | |
| ▲ | Folcon 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Can we actually separate distribution from sharing? I notice that all the advertising examples you listed are about spending time and not money, I'm wondering if there's something there? |
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| ▲ | dgellow 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Based on my lived experience people were complaining the same way | |
| ▲ | ModernMech 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Flea markets. Lol but I went to a flea market the other day with $100 thinking that was going to go far — I managed to buy one jacket for $80. So… I dunno. | | |
| ▲ | mjhay 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Thrift and vintage stores have been pivoting to the premium consumer as well. | | | |
| ▲ | geodel 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Well, you got authentic experience that most of us only get to see on Hallmark TV :) |
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| ▲ | funimpoded 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | “You want to play house, you got to have a job. You want to play very nice house, very sweet house, then you got to have a job you don't like. Great. This is the way ninety-eight-point-nine per cent of the people work things out, so believe me, buddy, you've got nothing to apologize for.” - An older neighbor counseling the has-things-relatively-great-but-unhappy-anyway protagonist in Richard Yates’ Revolutionary Road | |
| ▲ | DocTomoe 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That's why 'fun on the internet' was, always has been, is, and always will be a hobby, not a job. If you do things for money, you optimize not for fun, but for return of (time) investment. Which is only fun if you have other issues. | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You do one thing you don't particularly enjoy too much for 8h/day as your job to earn money, then you do your hobby you can afford and enjoy for <8h/day, then you sleep for ~8h/day. Rinse and repeat. | | |
| ▲ | moffkalast 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | And of course the other chores: cooking, shopping, cleaning, etc. come out of the part you don't particularly enjoy right? Right? | | |
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| ▲ | DivingForGold 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Retired with substantial savings, refitting my 40 year old Hobie Cat 18, heading to the beach to spend more time with the dolphins and seagulls. ... and any interesting humans that I meet walking the beach. | | |
| ▲ | bronson 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Perfect OK Boomer response. If this is parody then I salute you! So good. |
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| ▲ | brightball 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | We need to bring back BBS's over short range radio transmitters. The early dialup and BBS world was magic and it pulls everything completely off of the standard channels. | | |
| ▲ | dd8601fn 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I was JUST working on this based on the solarpunk forum article that was on Hackaday, yesterday. I was trying to do Enigma with a captive portal wifi setup and a (heavily stylized) terminal in a browser. Figured a pi w2 might do the job on solar. The idea was occasional fidonet pickup, some door games, and probably disabled file base. It (enigma) was proving to be a real pain though, and I decided to shelve it for a bit. | |
| ▲ | functionmouse 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | party van will get you for doing anything like that | | |
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| ▲ | bradley13 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This. Yes, the mass internet is curated, created and censored. Usenet is a distant memory. But some changes are positive. I recently retired. I've programmed for 50 years, both for work and for fun. My son asked: so what's your project? I had to think about it, and I've decided to learn GPU programming - something completely new to me. With AI as a tutor, this will be massively easier than at any time in the past. In some ways, the state of AI now is reminiscent of the state of the internet 25 years ago. |
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| ▲ | the__alchemist 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I concur! Explore the big, bold world outside the internet. Or, on the internet, stop spending your valuable time on bottom-feeder content like medium articles, facebook, twitter/bluesky, rant blogs, news websites etc. |
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| ▲ | Melatonic 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Kagi Small Web !! | | |
| ▲ | uncircle 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It’s all mostly American tech blogs. I mean, it’s a nice initiative, but it’s less diverse than Hacker News. |
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| ▲ | dgellow 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Do you have interesting urls to recommend? | | |
| ▲ | the__alchemist 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Good question. No, unless we have similar interests and hobbies. Specialized topics and fields (I observe anecdotally) tend to be less vulnerable to the optimization this article laments! |
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| ▲ | sevenzero 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >bottom-feeder content So 99% of posts on Hackernews, got it. | | |
| ▲ | bpavuk 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | 99%? if you count all submitted posts, then yeah, maybe even 99.5%, but the frontpage is maybe 90% |
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| ▲ | moffkalast 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The big, bold world outside the internet is arguably far more locked down, enshittified and regulated than the online world. I mean look at cities, removing parks, benches, trying to make it impossible to even stand without paying for existing. The countryside is all bought up, every inch of grass owned and people itching to tell you to get the fuck off their property. Can't do anything anywhere anymore. You'd have to go somewhere incredibly remote to find any boldness left, like international waters or the Australian outback. The civilized world is just bureaucracy with extra steps. | | |
| ▲ | TFNA 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The countryside is all bought up, every inch of grass owned and people itching to tell you to get the fuck off their property. You’re missing out if you think that. People come from all over the world to hike, bikepack, or van-dwell American wilderness. Since Covid there has been a big boom in ”weekender” routes that Americans can do in their own neck of the woods. And if there’s so much reward in the USA, think about what rewards await in other countries that have even less of a culture of territorialness and privatization. | | |
| ▲ | ghaff 44 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I do think there’s been some power law concentration since Covid and you can blame Instagram or whatever but still seems like a real phenomenon in my personal experience. |
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| ▲ | the__alchemist 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is a good point, and is depressing on its own... |
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| ▲ | neilwilson 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Or just make homebrew. It’s amazing how good just fermenting juice from the supermarket with a bit of added sugar can be. It teaches patience and the blip blop of an airlock is a terrifically calming way to mark the passage of time. |
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| ▲ | MSFT_Edging 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Everything you said is good, but I think it misses the point of the blog post. The internet was special because it was a place to share those weird, human endeavors. I can do all I want in the solitude of my home but I want to share it! The internet is where you can find people with common interests that you can't find in people you know IRL. That was the escape. Finally you feel less alone, a stranger on the other side of the world feels the same way! That's what was optimized. We were herded into centralized algorithmic bubbles, optimized for creation and consumption but not for sharing. Sharing has some care in it, a common need for something, a connection between two or more people. The internet has been optimized for consumption. Everyone is consuming in the same place, repeating the same jokes, and it all moves too fast to even recognize the same usernames you might see. It all moves too fast, there's little incentive for platform owners to make a place where people actually connect at the speed of human socializing because if you're busy connecting, you're not seeing the next ad. Also I'd just like to add, reddit killed the classic forum. Many are gone, some are holding on by a thread. You can't just "avoid the bad parts" because the bad parts consumed the good parts. |
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| ▲ | Folcon 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just realised that reading your message, I really feel this, I've been designing a game and I've recently been having discussions with friends and people interested in it and it's just a really different experience talking with them vs posting about it, don't get me wrong, having a weekly cadence is nice and Sharing Saturdays can be really helpful to get the word out there, but it's such a different interaction and mindspace I end up in during the "plan to explain to people in this weird advertising, but not process about my passion project", vs "talk to someone about my passion" And I'm aware that these are different activities, but I don't think they should be as far apart emotionally as they end up being? For example the last discussion I had we talked about how I was exploring connecting the impact of actions in the small scale to the large scale, for example how designing a particular construct or vehicle, would change how efficiently a player would be able to mine and that would then impact how much that particular player made from mining in that area This creates all sorts of interesting questions and even just that discussion was engaging |
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| ▲ | Waterluvian 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A little while ago I got my hodge podge Amazon soldering kit out and took the time to fix two DMG-01 Game Boys from my childhood. I opened up a bunch of PS5 controllers and replaced the analog sticks with hall sensors. Nothing about what I did was impressive. I’m a novice at best. But I haven’t felt so fulfilled in such a long time. I had a serious moment of thinking, “I wish I could quit my career and just repair electronics for people.” |
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| ▲ | functionmouse 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I repair electronics every once in a while and I've always hated doing it. If you actually like doing that, then you absolutely should try doing it for a living. |
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| ▲ | scelerat 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| as someone who laments the loss of spaces and pastimes that once brought people together -- bowling alleys, dance halls, pubs, movie houses, etc. -- to work from home, home entertainment and especially anything and everything online, I keep hoping for some kind of reversal. Maybe the day is getting closer when anything and everything internet-related is so drenched in uncanny artifice and extractionary intention that people will yearn for imperfect, multidimensional reality, and feel like the best thing they can do with their time is walk through the park with a friend. |
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| ▲ | harimau777 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That seems kind of like a non-sequiter none of that stuff has anything to do with what made the internet special so I don't see how doing so would help either bring the internet back or create a viable alternative. |
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| ▲ | summa_tech 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I think the issue is that while you can (and perhaps should) do at least one such thing, it's going to be a pretty lonely pursuit, unless you have a pre-existing group of people to connect over this. The Internet used to be really good at random, unscripted collaboration. But the winner-takes-all nature of modern social media means that if you do not optimize your presentation for maximum engagement, you will not even be noticed. Even people who would've greatly enjoyed what you have to tell them will instead be fed a mix of generic engagement slop, sort-of relevant influencer videos, vaguely targeted ads and political propaganda. |
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| ▲ | fragmede 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why do they have to be pre-exisiting? Release the whatever to the world, make a Discord for it, and find people that way. | | |
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| ▲ | dogleash 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A: "The vibe at my favorite bar has changed" B: "You are still perfectly capable of having fun in life" I don't really get how B follows from A. B is true, but A wasn't implying not-B. |
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| ▲ | thinkingtoilet 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Over the last few years my wife and I have grown into a community of awesome people. It makes all the difference. Do literally anything you can offline. Go to some meet up. Volunteer. Go to a con or an event. Learn an instrument. Literally anything. Do as if your long term mental health depends on it, because it just might. Be silly. Be cringe. Dress up. Get far far away from the internet with actual people. |
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| ▲ | Forgeties79 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I swapped to Linux last year and my computer has actually been fun. Bazzite is great. I barely tinker with it if ever and it’s mostly because I feel like it, not out of necessity. I have a very reliable gaming and video editing machine, mostly using open source stuff, and I am in no way a coder/programmer/engineer. I just love using it. Tinkering with retro consoles has also been very satisfying. I would say more than half of the consoles in my home are modded in some way or another. My kids love it. Then of course there’s film photography. Talk about a great way to force yourself to be intentional and patient. You can buy any dinky camera and a nifty 50 for like $100, it’ll work just fine. Just get out there and shoot and send off your rolls to be processed. Even just getting one or two good shots out of a roll feels fantastic. Every single photo you take matters and is memorable. It’s refreshing. |
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| ▲ | ButlerianJihad an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > pick up cross stitching or weaving Ironically, it was the Jacquard Loom that made redundant a generation of highly-skilled, mostly female, weavers. Of course, any human can choose to take up this hobby manually, but we will never again compete in the job market with machines that are accurate, blindingly fast, and so far haven’t demanded the right to vote |
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| ▲ | vinceguidry 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| all of these things are not internet. |