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| ▲ | giwook 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > I'd be more concerned with "your model can't be too woke" regulatory scenarios. Honestly that's exactly where my mind went. We already see the current administration trying to censor free speech (e.g. Jimmy Kimmel, blocking/restricting press access to the White House unless you are pro-Trump). I'm afraid of the potential to move in the direction of what we see in China where queries to LLMs referencing things like Tianenmen Square are censored (at best). | | |
| ▲ | gardenhedge 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm not american but it seems like americans are MORE free to speak their minds now than before in terms of being banned/silenced by dominating online platforms | | |
| ▲ | giwook 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not sure what you're trying to say here, but I get the sense you don't have enough information as to what's going on here (nothing wrong with that, I've been trying to tune out myself). Regardless: "...an increasing number of travelers report being questioned about legally protected online speech when crossing the border." https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/travel/airport-border-pho... | | |
| ▲ | gardenhedge 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I am saying it "seems like americans are MORE free to speak their minds now than before in terms of being banned/silenced by dominating online platforms". Previously you could not post about certain subjects around covid, ivermectin, anything not in line with woke ideology, political scandals. Accounts would be banned. Communities were shut down on Reddit. High profile figures were banned from Twitter. Now you can post whatever you like on most of these platforms. That's not just me who thinks that by the way, it's a widely discussed thing. Zuckerberg even cited government pressure around content suppression and censorship. Do you disagree? |
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| ▲ | AlecSchueler 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The government literally removed research into trans-fats because of their transphobia. Much free speech |
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| ▲ | pphysch 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I'm afraid of the potential to move in the direction of what we see in China where queries to LLMs referencing things like Tianenmen Square are censored (at best). We are already there. "Canva admits its AI tool removed 'Palestine' from designs: https://gizmodo.com/canva-admits-its-ai-tool-removed-palesti... |
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| ▲ | grosswait 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Or your model is not "woke enough" | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I have very little patience for bothsidesism at this point. | | |
| ▲ | icapybara 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Your side is not the only side. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Obviously. "Bothsidesism" posits that the two sides are broadly similar. The last few years have debunked that concept pretty conclusively. | | |
| ▲ | staticautomatic 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It also posits that there are only two sides. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | In the US, that is functionally the case, and likely to remain that way. |
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| ▲ | icapybara 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes but OP made a good point (model censorship going too far in the name of "woke"ness) and you shut them down. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, because it's disingenuous bullshit. As it was with "campus protests violate free speech!" from the folks who immediately turned around and banned voluntary diversity programs at universities. As it was with "Twitter bans violate free speech" from the folks who bought it and banned @elonjet and the word cisgender. | | |
| ▲ | icapybara 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Are people not allowed to suggest models may be too censored? Is that idea censored? | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Am I not allowed to suggest it's disingenuous bullshit to pull the "both sides" thing? | | |
| ▲ | icapybara 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | That's right. It was uncalled for. I see no evidence OP was making a bad faith argument, but you assumed that right away. | | |
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| ▲ | AlecSchueler 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because it's incredibly frustrating to see the government remove women and men of colour from government websites, deleting climate data, and sending out violent mobs to round people up while people sit around saying their main worry is that regulatory bodies will move to make things "too woke." There's no "woke" equivalent to the insanity being acted out by the US administration. |
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| ▲ | techno303 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | why? Most regulations (ADA, affirmative action, etc.) fall into the "not woke enough" category of model regulation. Current administration aside, complaints of this sort are more likely. It’s absurd, really, to believe there would be a regulation governing a model being too woke; regulation itself is woke | | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Most regulations (ADA, affirmative action, etc.) fall into the "not woke enough" category of model regulation For sake of argument, let’s assume this is true. Those rules are still structured as laws, with boundaries and legal recourse. The precedent being set, that the President gets “voluntary” deference from private companies, is un-American and will be abused by the left. | | |
| ▲ | techno303 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't think I'm smart/intellectual enough to respond to this or i just don't understand what you're saying |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The ADA isn't about wokeness. It's about being able to live in society with a disability. | | |
| ▲ | techno303 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Limiting a business's ability to exist because they can't afford to accommodate a small percentage of the population is 100% about wokeness | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Well, we've just now defined safety rules, health codes, paying taxes, and the like as "woke". You'd be calling the First Amendment woke if we proposed it now. | | |
| ▲ | techno303 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Taxes? How? I agree with the rest, sure. Health codes and safety rules are woke, yes. I would have thought that as given. Debates over where you draw the line are absolutely a matter of wokeness. The way freedom of expression is regulated today is generally woke. The WPFI is insanely woke. | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Taxes? How? They, at times, "[limit] a business's ability to exist because they can't afford to accommodate a small percentage of the population". > Health codes and safety rules are woke, yes. I take it you never read the parable of the boy who cried wolf. | | |
| ▲ | techno303 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | getting the vibe that english isn't your first language, and don't feel like arguing theough a language barrier i don't begin to understand either of these points fwiw i'm woke, happy to be woke, encourage wokeness | | |
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| ▲ | freejazz 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Debates over where you draw the line are absolutely a matter of wokeness. This is offensive in how trite it is |
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| ▲ | jasonlotito 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "Woke" is just a dog whistle. It's used by anti-intellectuals on the right to signal their allegiance to whatever their dear leader says, and is used to say "I am triggered by this idea" regardless of what the idea is. Anything can be woke to these people, up to and including the 2nd Amendment. | | |
| ▲ | bdangubic 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | it is actually perfect, you hear or read “woke” you can immediately turn around and know the level of intelligence in front of you requires immediate extraction from any further proceedings :) | | |
| ▲ | AlecSchueler 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | The terrifying thing is that we can't just ignore it anymore, though. These people are wielding the power of the world at a time of global crises. | | |
| ▲ | bdangubic 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | it is the people that are buying the BS though… those wielding power will say whatever the F they want to rile up the people but end of the day it is the people buying this. the outmost funny thing to me glancing at this from the sidelines (I stopped following news and am generally largely disconnected from “politics”) is that people that are buying the “woke” garbage are not realizing they voted for the most woke there is. entire current administration is DEI hires (this is literal, every single person working is DEI hire), cancel culture is raging, if they could they would cancel 50% of the population (this is especially funny to me, shows you how “small” people are), you got billions of dollars literally being stolen in broad daylight while bitching about nancy pelosi, you got two president’s sons pillaging the country while bitching about hunter’s laptop… so fascinating to watch america slowly disintegrate into what has become |
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| ▲ | freejazz 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | ADA preceeded wokeness by at least 2 decades |
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