How can you say it has "nothing to do with software engineering" with a straight face?

I think you might be in serious denial.

Of course writing code isn't the only task of a software engineer, but it's an important one.

There wouldn't be so much controversy if it wasn't the case

"Writing code" as a task of its own is called cowboy coding. It's neat that AI can do this now, but that has nothing to do with proper software engineering which always starts from a careful, human-led design.

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peab 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"has nothing to do with proper software engineering"

So you're saying software engineers don't write code? Just because there are other things that SWEs do, does not mean it has nothing to do with it.

It's arguably a pretty important part. Would you really hire a software engineer who can't code?

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shimman an hour ago | parent [-]

Writing code and copying the output of an LLM is absolutely not the same.

You wouldn't call someone an author that takes LLM outputs and shoves it in a book. IDK why this distinction doesn't apply to devs too.

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peab 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

You call someone an author when they use a ghostwriter. They're giving inputs that are core to the output, even though they aren't doing all the writing. Same thing.

	▲	shimman 2 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I can assure you a sizable amount of people in the writing community look down on "authors" that only use ghostwriters. Why do tech workers act shock that people hate this junk being force fed to them that they are now resorting to violence to reject said junk? You think telling humans with specialized crafts that they don't matter is good politics? Good grief.

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jf22 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What's a good example of human-led design?