Parents who work fulltime, some even more than one job?

Says a lot about the state of society when parenting is outsourced to technology, so that the parents can be further enslaved (because almost no one chooses to work two jobs).

	▲	i_think_so 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Oof. Now I has a sad. :(

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crote 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What if we...now hear me out....what if we paid people a living wage?

	▲	AnthonyMouse 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Most of a "living wage" is from the cost of living. We make living space artificially scarce and then your rent is high but so is the rent on the small businesses that employ people. The restaurant can't pay the waitress more when their own costs have gone up, and the money is going to the landlords rather than the employers. Likewise, when some megacorps capture the government and monopolize a market, the costs go up on both individuals and all the employers in other markets who are now paying monopoly rents with the money they could have otherwise used to hire more people (bidding up wages) or lower the prices workers pay when they buy their products. Just asking them to pay more doesn't work when the party you want to pay more isn't the party which is extracting the money, and higher costs are just as much of a problem as lower wages.

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heavyset_go 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are computing and communication devices designed for kids to use.

Stop handing your kids brand new iPads and complaining, especially if you aren't willing to use parental controls.

	▲	locao 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		I'm not saying you're wrong, but Apple's parental controls just don't work.

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Dylan16807 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's possible to design something parents can control without using lots of their time to do so.

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croes 2 days ago | parent [-]

So you are back to

> what if we didn't try to shoehorn a stupid and unworkable technological solution into this problem space

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Dylan16807 2 days ago | parent [-]

Depends on how you end that sentence.

If you end it with "and make a good easy to use technical solution instead" then you found my stance.

If you end it with "and just...made parents responsible for their kids?" like GP then no that's not my stance at all.

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AnthonyMouse 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> If you end it with "and make a good easy to use technical solution instead" then you found my stance.

That assumes a good easy to use technical solution is possible. What if classifying user-generated content as safe for kids is enormously subjective, and the labor required to accurately classify it even given a hypothetical objective standard would cost more than users are willing to pay to have it done?

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Dylan16807 2 days ago | parent [-]

The issue at hand of figuring out ages would not take much labor no matter how you did it.

	▲	AnthonyMouse a day ago \| parent [-]
		It seems worth thinking past step one if you intend to do something. Even if you had some reliable way to know someone's age, what are you going to do with it in the context of information availability? The proposal is building a privacy-invasive age-leaking system (do you actually want adversarial/malicious services knowing when someone is a vulnerable kid?). There is no point in doing that if the "good thing" it's supposed to enable is actually a hopeless omnishambles. Meanwhile we don't have any sound technical means of verifying age over the internet. The "use government ID" approaches are among the least effective because you have no good way to tell if the person behind the screen is the person on the ID.

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croes 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

So you could say the same for original echnical solution. > make a good easy to use technical solution instead

	▲	Dylan16807 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		> So you could say the same for original echnical solution. ...yes, that was my point. My whole argument was that it wasn't a tradeoff between "unworkable technical solution" and "make parents spend time they don't have".

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AngryData 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That sounds like a problem for society to fix directly, not shoehorn 30 other fixes on top of an inherently broke system.

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marcus_holmes 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

ok, now you've identified the real problem, how can we solve that?

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bandie91 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

well, everyone need to clarify their priorities.

	▲	croes 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Food and shelter vs children?

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croes 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Massive downvote because I don't want to blame hard working parents?

I get a hard tech-bro vibe who like to blame others to deflect from responsibilty of their technology