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spartanatreyu 3 hours ago

> There is no sudden outbreak of productive activity because people have more free time.

I can't recall which studies they were, but I was under the impression that with a sudden expansion of free time, the earliest productivity gains don't occur until months later at the earliest.

I think the effect came up in long-term UBI trial participants, and those that acquired sudden wealth from inheritance / lottery / stocks / etc...

There tends to be a decompression stage after leaving work environment that didn't suit the person, then a deconstruction / rebuilding / searching stage afterwards.

I think it's also common for large lottery winners to become depressed because they have trouble searching for what to do afterwards.

Aurornis 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> I think the effect came up in long-term UBI trial participants,

The failure of UBI trials to show these effects has been one of the noteworthy developments in the UBI topic in recent years.

There were several studies that tried really hard to demonstrate that UBI would increase the rate of business creation and similar metrics. The last one I remember reading was trying to show that the long-term cash recipients reported a marginally higher rate of thinking about maybe starting a business, but they weren't actually doing it.

spartanatreyu 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

As I remember it, there were four kinds of UBI trials:

- Low UBI, short term

- Low UBI, long term

- High UBI, short term

- High UBI, long term

Both low UBI kinds did little except provide a little better food/medical security for poor folks.

High UBI short term mostly only led to people either saving or spending the money immediately.

High UBI long term was the only one where the effect I was talking about showed up. Most people carried on as they did, some reduced hours, there was an increase in people switching jobs, and an increasing in people leaving work to get a degree.

I also remember the difference between the first three kinds and the last kind led to confusion between UBI trials.

Admittedly I haven't looked in a few years, so I'll have to check again.