Is there any other details on what it means.

There is a difference between:

- Having a manufacturer promise that the battery will last with little oversight on how testing is done and no specific warranty.

- A lifetime warranty where any battery that gives less than 80% of its rating for 1000 cycles has to be replaced free of charge. With the added obligation that measurements should be user-readable and accurate (no cheating the cycle counter and battery gauge).

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Worf an hour ago | parent [-]

> has to be replaced free of charge

I assume you mean the battery would have to be replaced free of charge. But what if I don't want to hand over a computer full of my personal data to a corporation with no oversight of how it will be handled? What if I can't afford to part with that computer?

I would be stuck with having to replace that battery on my own since I don't want to risk giving physical access to my computer to untrusted parties.

There needs to be a different way to handle this. For example, send me a new battery and the tools needed to replace it, with monetary compensation if certain features would be lost, like waterproofing. Or something else - not sure. But I don't believe in the honor of the people who would service my computer.

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eszed an hour ago | parent [-]

> hand over a computer full of my personal data to a corporation

I'm equally paranoid, so I back up and wipe any device I hand in for repair.

> What if I can't afford to part with that computer?

No perfect answer for this, but I've always kept my last phone in a drawer in case my current phone breaks. It's saved me a couple of times. Maybe not everything works, but basic calls and texts always have, and I can use a browser for banking and other "complicated" stuff for a few days.

I'm OK if the perfect doesn't get in the way of the good - both personally, and in this sort of legislation.

	▲	Worf 34 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Without sufficient technical information on how the computer works and without root access, we can't be certain a "wipe" will actually wipe everything. For malware that could be inserted in a targeted manner, even with desktop computers we don't have access the every firmware of every part. When we're talking about mobile "phones", we usually have an interface that tells us "sure, it's wiped", but is it? Without full root to every part of it, can you be certain that it is? When you press "wipe" on an iPhone or a closed Android flagship (or whatever the UI is), what happens exactly on the filesystem that you can't even access fully? Telling people to hand over their devices willy-nilly is far from "good". We shouldn't settle for this. The hardware companies can ship us the tools to replace the battery ourselves. Maybe not "ourselves" - my aunt can ask me to do it for her if she can't do it on her own. But she trusts me more than she does people she's never seen ever. If the tools are expensive, we can ship them back. There are many options so we should discuss them.