I thought AI was so easy to use no one would have to be trained? Are they going to teach the kids to steal copyrighted data? And write AI slop articles? And to evangelize useless side projects as time savings?

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frangonf 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Kids don't need to be trained in AI but the models do need to be trained by kids.

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noobermin 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The drug dealers get to get them hooked young.

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spwa4 2 days ago | parent [-]

Come on, AI can work both ways. It's easy to use AI to greatly increase your knowledge of a subject. It's also easy to use AI to prevent yourself from having to learn anything.

Both kinds of students will exist.

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kerkeslager 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> It's easy to use AI to greatly increase your knowledge of a subject.

It's actually not.

It's easy to get an AI to say a lot about a subject, but that doesn't mean anything the AI said was true. There's a significant risk that the AI has simply hallucinated the information, and now you "know" a bunch of false ideas about the subject, which is worse than not knowing anything about it.

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veber-alex 2 days ago | parent [-]

Right because without AI everything you read on the internet is 100% true and correct.

Learn how to use AI properly just like any tool and you can benefit.

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contagiousflow 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Can you explain the differences between using AI "properly" and "improperly" for learning?

	▲	veber-alex 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		Double check what the AI tells you. Apply common sense instead of blindly trusting everything. If it's something technical in nature try to verify and test it. I treat AI as any other information I see online with the added value that it's customized exactly to my needs and it works pretty well for me.

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kerkeslager 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Right because without AI everything you read on the internet is 100% true and correct.

The hallucination percentage of referenced sources such as Wikipedia is much better than AI, and for many sources such as the NYT or Al Jazeera, it's easier to tell what human bias would cause someone to maybe be inaccurate--we're leveraging our existing knowledge because we deal with other humans all the time.

AI, on the other hand hallucinates in unpredictable ways.

> Learn how to use AI properly just like any tool and you can benefit.

Sure. But the claim I was disagreeing with was that it's easy to use AI ("properly" being implied). I'm saying it's NOT EASY to use AI properly. In fact, it's so difficult that even intelligent people can't do it, and many more won't do it.

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xienze 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> Both kinds of students will exist.

Yeah and I'm betting there's gonna be a whole lot more "press the button to have all your work done for you" students than "work hard" students. FFS even before all this there's been an alarming number of students attending college who have to take remedial classes.

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SpicyLemonZest 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you're curious about these questions, you'll be happy to review the links from the source article, which include statements from two Senators and the head of the largest US teacher's union about what they hope for kids to learn.

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righthand 2 days ago | parent [-]

Will the kids who miss the important parts of training miss out on being able to use AI effectively? It should be easy enough for them to use without training…

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SpicyLemonZest 2 days ago | parent [-]

Why do you presume that it should be easy enough for them to use without training? Keyboards are a pretty simple technology, and serve as a subset of the primary interface to most modern AI models, but training is still required to use them well. A user who's never learned proper keyboard skills will type much more slowly and with much more frustration than you or I can, and that will have meaningful impacts on their ability to perform tasks requiring a keyboard.

It's just a kind of training that's receded into the background as "normal", and that many of us who enjoy recreationally typing out comments on the Internet self-taught.

	▲	righthand 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		I didn’t learn writing, speaking, research skills from typing out comments on the internet. I was required to use hand written note cards up until I graduated high school (heck even had blue book tests in college). The first paper I ever wrote was hand written. When we did start using computers, none of those skills were altered by passive internet chatting. So AI training is going to be a basic communication course? Because AI is sold as being easy to use without training and as modeled after existing human social constructs, hence artificial intelligence.

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zamadatix 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

It's K12 so I'm honestly not going to try to take that dunk, as satisfying as it'd be, as plenty of things which seem blazingly obvious/intuitive to adults are complete mystery to a pool of kids where being able to read to learn (instead of the other way around) is a recent development.

Unfortunately, the AI literacy big tech companies want to push won't align very well with the AI literacy kids need. It'd be like ad literacy for K12 being pushed by Google - obviously what's delivered would not match what the kids actually needed.