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appreciatorBus 2 days ago

I appreciate the extra time you invested to let me know.

So to return the favor, I’ll add a couple of sentences too.

A year ago I would never have made such a comment.

My understanding about the issues boiled down to approximately:

- queer theory is some sort of reasonably academic pursuit that has something to do with gay people

- trans is just gay rights 2.0; clearly anyone who has any concerns is a raging bigot

Neither was a core interest of mine, but they seemed reasonable enough. However, eventually, I started reading about the topic. (I’d recommend Trans by Helen Joyce) and now I feel differently.

I now think JK had it right all along – we all should (and do) have the basic human right to wear whatever we like, and to sleep with anyone who will have us. But what’s being demanded by activists and taught in schools goes far beyond that and involves real contradictions, real risks to children and zero sum trade-offs with hard fought sex specific rights for women.

These issues are things we could talk about so that we all come to a better understanding and make better decisions. But instead wide swathes of officialdom are “blinded by the flag” and have decided, as I once did, that anyone who has concerns is a raging bigot.

Ralfp 2 days ago | parent [-]

Noting that you use exclusively gender critical sources (and some very poor ones to add, like Littman's "study") while also having history of blaming "wokism", I seriously doubt you have given this subject a fair consideration.

Interesingly, so called "gender critical" movement is increasingly pivoting to other conservative or plainly reactionary talking points. For example, the book you are recommending makes a thinly veilded point that "promoters of trans ideology" are rich jewish men, key figure among them being George Soros.

Kishwer Falkner who was big proponent of trans people segregation during her EHRC leadership recently turned to anti abortion activism. And plenty of LGB sans TQ people I've talked to are big fans of "we are normal gays who limit our orientation to the bedroom" talking points while also leaning conservative or reactionary themselves.

inkersp a day ago | parent | next [-]

> For example, the book you are recommending makes a thinly veilded point that "promoters of trans ideology" are rich jewish men, key figure among them being George Soros.

This is untrue. Please read the author's response to this false allegation: https://www.thehelenjoyce.com/p/a-wild-ride.

appreciatorBus 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Classic “everyone who disagrees with me is secretly a bigot and a Nazi” energy here.

Nothing you’ve said actually addresses any arguments.

Can you actually give a refutation of Joyce’s arguments are you going just going to stick to ad hominem?