| ▲ | 47282847 4 hours ago |
| To me he sounds inexperienced/naive and a little scared (and thus “defensive”) but well-intentioned. His response makes me believe that he didn’t do it for fame, to deceive, or other selfish reasons. |
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| ▲ | lukan 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| He was told by the original author to not use the name for his project 5 days ago. 3 days ago he wrote "Guys, all I wanted to do is to make Notepad++ available on mac and keep it open and free. I'm talking to Don. I really hope he will be ok with the name. It actually expands notepad++ brand to mac." Already ignoring the authors wishes. He said clearly it is not OK and wants the name changed. That's it - but he keeps ignoring it. I fail to see good intentions here. |
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| ▲ | emaro 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah. And if you want to expand an existing brand that's not yours, you ask first, and only continue after a green light from the owner. | | |
| ▲ | lukan 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Well, that part might be temporarily excused by naivety. But he did ask, was not replied to - and he did it anyway. So I actually do not believe in naivety. And now it is past that point anyway. |
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| ▲ | koiueo an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Judging by the fork author's name, should've asked them in russian :-/ |
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| ▲ | cryptonym 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| First step would be taking down the website, second step is an apology, third step is bringing back online with new branding and eventually a final word to thank them, share the link and say they remain open to criticism. It's not rocket science. Pretty sure even his LLM would give that strategy and implement it without burning too many tokens. More than inexperienced, either he really can't read a room or he knows very well what he is doing. |
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| ▲ | lopis 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Right? Instead we get: - Saying he's hoping Don allows it - "I actually did nothing wrong" - "I actually did nothing wrong" part 2 - "I actually did nothing wrong" part 3 - Why are you so mad? Give me a week - Why are you so mad? I added more lies to the website - Why are you so mad? I'm working on it ... over the course of 2 days. Shutting down the website and pulling the app offline should have taken minutes. | | |
| ▲ | 47282847 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | People react differently to feedback without necessarily bad intentions. Not everyone is ready to instantly admit mistakes. Empathy goes a long way. | | |
| ▲ | HumblyTossed 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Reading the above, how much empathy does someone need to give before they can feel the other party has bad intentions? "No" needs to mean something. | |
| ▲ | the_snooze 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | altek has been given a number of off-ramps and alternatives to proceed. His continued resistance to take those isn't a sign of naivete, it's a sign of bad faith. |
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| ▲ | AureliusMA 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't believe that he is naive. It looks like he wants to use the Notepad++ brand authority to capture the notepad++ macos market (which is big!) Thus he is infringing on a trademark for his own benefit. |
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| ▲ | Matl 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > capture the notepad++ macos market Is it big? Notepad++ is big in the Windows world but I am not certain that it is automatically big on Mac. They have much more Mac-native feeling editors like TextMate, Nova, Cot, even SublimeText feels more macOS-ishy than Notepad++ I am on Linux, Notepad++ is not a name of concern on here at all and if it ever came to Linux most people wouldn't notice. If you're in the Windows world that might seem like an improbability given how big it is there, but trust me, it's not a well known name anywhere else. | | |
| ▲ | lukan 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | "I am on Linux, Notepad++ is not a name of concern on here at all and if it ever came to Linux most people wouldn't notice." Strong disagree. The thing I miss in linux most is notepad++ or something as capable and usable (open for suggestions, but chances are I already tried them) | | |
| ▲ | pjc50 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Interesting. I'd have thought that Linux users would go traditional (vi vs. Emacs) or for something heavier (vscode), or quick and easy for when you just need $EDITOR (nano). | |
| ▲ | technothrasher an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Notepadqq is a decent crack at a Notepad++ clone for Linux, but it is no longer actively maintained. | | |
| ▲ | lukan an hour ago | parent [-] | | Thanks, I did not try out that one, though it being abandoned is of course not great. |
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| ▲ | f3408fh 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A malicious actor would be happy to be publicly labeled inexperienced/naive. |
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| ▲ | wartywhoa23 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The inverse Hanlon's razor cuts much better than the original one these days: Never attribute to stupidity (incompetence|naivety) that which is adequately explained by malice. | | |
| ▲ | doginasuit 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You don't need an inverse Hanlon's razor, that's the natural response and a recipe for a social dumpster fire. |
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| ▲ | doginasuit 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That reasoning holds but it is not based on any of the facts at hand. There's a reason why any community worth being apart of has a tendency to assume good faith. People make mistakes. I respect Don Ho's response and I don't see how the pitchfork brigade is bringing anything valuable to the situation. | | |
| ▲ | lopis 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | People are pissed because instead of taking the feedback, apologizing and acting immediately, he wrote comment after comment giving excuses. What he did is literally illegal, and ignorance or good intentions is not a solid excuse. | |
| ▲ | f3408fh 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you’d actually installed it and realized afterward that you’d been misled, whether by someone who doesn’t understand trademarks or someone acting in bad faith, you’d probably feel differently. Leaving a comment on HN in that situation is a pretty reasonable reaction. |
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| ▲ | i_think_so 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This. A billion times this. The community should be shouting from the rooftops that there is an intruder in the neighborhood. Maybe there's no malice intended and this is just a colossal pile of honest mistakes. Maybe this author is as clueless as he appears. Maybe, but until he appears at the United Nations and doxes himself before embarking on a world wide apology tour, nobody in their right mind should install that binary. I wouldn't even run the build script in a sandbox. |
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| ▲ | pndy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't wanna be rude but it looks like this guy just arrived on the Internet this year - around March-April and it doesn't seem like he has any prior activity. He just decided to roll this Notepad++ for macOS and that's it Also, his medium avatar looks awfully generated. |
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| ▲ | RobotToaster 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It reads to me like English isn't his first language. Either way the complexities of open source licensing are something a lot of people don't understand. | | |
| ▲ | matsemann 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | As stated multiple times in the linked discussion: the licensing of the open source code is not the issue. It's the use of the trademark, and making their fork look like an officially endorsed one. | |
| ▲ | koiueo 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | russian is most probably his first language. Make your own conclusions | | |
| ▲ | RobotToaster 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | There's a term for making conclusions about someone based on their race. | | |
| ▲ | koiueo 2 minutes ago | parent [-] | | 1. It's not a race, make your terminology straight 2. I'm not even making a generalization. I'm pointing out an interesting fact in the context of blatant violation of internationally established behavioral norms, and even laws in sone jurisdictions 3. I'm offering you to make your own conclusion So based on 1, 2, 3, you are welcome to gtfo. |
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| ▲ | rotational 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | i_think_so 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Does he remind you of anyone? https://www.wired.com/story/jia-tan-xz-backdoor/ | |
| ▲ | azrazalea_debt 14 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | His linkedin (on which he posted about notepad++) is pretty light publicly but it does have a post about him speaking at a conference in NY on product management and people actually commenting that they saw his talk. That was a year ago, so definitely possible that there's some "setup an account to look real" BS going on but at first glance my take is that he's a real person. The people on HN might be surprised by how little the average naive software-adjacent person knows about intellectual property law. I've been following it since I was 12, but most people barely know what a trademark is let alone what enforcement looks like. Here's my guess: Eastern European origin, currently working and likely living in NY, PM gets ahold of Claude and decides to vibe code himself a port of Notepad++. Maybe he really has good intentions, maybe he is looking to make donation money, maybe a bit of both, whatever. Probably looking for donation money. Regardless, he thinks "Oh people fork/port open source projects all the time, I'll just do that" and has no conception whatsoever that he is going to piss people off OR that he's violating the law. English is not his first language either I'd bet, and he's using Claude to write a lot of / all of his comments. Acts frankly ignorant and confused and dumb in response, doesn't know what to do, etc. AI can't help him because he's not even givin the AI context well. A shitstorm ensues. FWIW, I did a quick/not that advanced static analysis of the code compared to the published binaries and couldn't find anything malicious. I'd leave that to the experts though for any real opinion. TLDR;; My guess: Dumb PM gone mad with power and looking for a donation-based cash grab, possibly with the good intention of keeping the project going long term, does not know the first thing about IP and does not speak english as his first language. But an actual dude. We'll see how it shakes out. |
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| ▲ | koiueo 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Naive my ass. From the fork's authors page > Andrey Letov is a New York product leader and software engineer. And then a long list of professional achievements follows. He knows exactly what he's doing |
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| ▲ | whateverboat 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Product manager in software for 10 years. I cannot believe the inexperienced defense. |
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| ▲ | freehorse 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| To me it seems like a "idgaf" mentality, and trying to get as much and push as far as he can. Never in his replies he shows any sign of admitting that he should not have put the notepad++ name like this, that it looked like an actual endorsement and this was wrong. He just finally (after putting repeated pressure) accepts to change the branding. I don't understand why some people like him do that and how. I assume it is the "fake it till you make it" mentality, like "fake the endorsement until they actually endorse your project". Clearly doesn't work like this, but if this mentality has gotten you far, why not try it here too? You can be inexperienced and naive, and at the same time understand when you make a mistake. Being "inexperienced" because you actively refuse to learn from what people tell you that you do wrong is not inexperience anymore. |
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| ▲ | gilrain an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > His response makes me believe … I’d pay more attention to his behavior. |
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| ▲ | efilife 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I've shipped fintech and risk products at Moody's, BNY, AxiomSL, Amex and many more. I've built platforms, designed user experiences, assembled portfolio analytics and worked on professional services teams. No inexperience here. It is malice |
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| ▲ | tsukurimashou an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| the road to hell is paved with good intentions |
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| ▲ | LeCompteSftware 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The smarmy dishonesty about "expanding the Notepad++ brand" actually is selfish and ill-intentioned. Perhaps he is too young and naive to fully understand that he is being parasitic. But naivety is a well-travelled path towards malice. Regardless, he absolutely deserves to be shamed on GitHub for this. I don't like the online culture of public shame and sandbagging - I think this GitHub thread should be closed now that it's viral - but sometimes people actually do things they should be ashamed of. This needs to be a tough lesson. |
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| ▲ | efilife 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm spamming this everywhere - taken from his blog: > I've shipped fintech and risk products at Moody's, BNY, AxiomSL, Amex and many more. I've built platforms, designed user experiences, assembled portfolio analytics and worked on professional services teams. Also' he's not young. Check his github avatar | | |
| ▲ | LeCompteSftware 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You know, what's frustrating is that when I first contemptuously dismissed "Notepad++ for MacOS" as a trademark violation I did skim that stuff and accordingly just sort of assumed the port was technically legitimate, but disrespectful of copyright. But of course it was vibe-coded, and apparently chock full of stupid bugs that would have been caught with adequate manual testing. Why wouldn't I assume otherwise? This from his website is pretty funny: These days I'm deep in multi-agent AI and honestly it's changed everything. I build with both hands, one on the code, one on the vision. I can finally bring to life ideas I've been carrying around for years that always needed too many people and too many quarters.
The first well-known software he vibe-coded is a buggy port of something a talented human spent many decades hand-crafting. The slop project is completely devoid of creativity or imagination, and it's going down in public flames because he was stupid about copyright. Kind of cartoonish, actually. | |
| ▲ | f3408fh 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It sounds like BS. Guy’s done it all if you believe his resume. |
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