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gtowey 3 hours ago

Or they could actually charge ticket prices that cover the cost of doing business and stop treating their passengers like a it's a time-share sales pitch the whole way.

tomhow 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They can't do this most of the time because for most of the year on most routes, supply outstrips demand (i.e., many/most flights on most airlines fly at least a little bit empty, often significantly empty – overall load factors are about 80-85%). They have to charge fares that customers will be willing to pay, even if that means losing money on a given flight. They can only charge profitable fares on the routes and times of year when demand surges (peak routes, holiday periods, major events). They have to keep their network capacity high enough to satisfy the peak demand, but for most of the year and most of the network, demand is lower, so they have to settle for break-even or loss-minimization. (For the record, I co-founded a flight search startup that became a fare optimization platform.)

dannyw 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Was that Flightfox? If so, I loved using it, helped me save so much money but also time :)

It sounds like there’s a problem with having too many flights that are barely full and hence unprofitable. AFAIK the federal gov spends significant money subsidising many “small airport” routes even if they’re barely used.

hedora an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Southwest used to do this, but then somehow got a CEO that burnt it all down instead of raising ticket prices by $20-30.

Before them Alaska Air was similar, and is now similarly bad.

Having the customers actually own the airline seems like a reasonable approach. The trick is kicking all the assholes off the board, so they can’t fire leadership for treating customers decently while turning a sustainable profit.

acheron 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sounds like a good way to lose all your customers to the other airlines that charge less.

AlexandrB an hour ago | parent [-]

Yup, and this is exacerbated by how services like Google Flights work. There's little visibility into any kind of "quality" metric, but prices are always front and center. So why would you optimize based on anything else?

asvitkine 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

If the lowest prices cause insolvency for the company, then let your competitors go bankrupt to win in the long run?

stackskipton 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Consumers only look at bottom line. There is basically two markets with airlines, higher end market with credit cards and premium seating; lower end where consumer solely looks at ticket price.

kulahan 2 hours ago | parent [-]

A huge number of businesses survive on whales, it's becoming really apparent. I'm kinda surprised how common it is.

I wonder if this will be the next "market" to exploit if ad revenue ever dies down too much, or if it's one that's always been there, and I've simply never been a part of.

lotsofpulp 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They do, it’s just barely enough to cover the cost of doing business and volatility.