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gopperl 3 hours ago

>Are you claiming to have controlled where and to whom you were born?

My parents did. Their parents did. My children will.

>you did not earn them

My parents did. Their parents did. My children will.

Everything I have today has been hard-earned by my ancestors. Everything my children have will be hard-earned by my ancestors and I. We earned them.

>These two statements appear to be contradictory

Only if you believe such things to be due to purely random chance. I can feel 'fortunate' that my parents got me the bike I really wanted for Christmas, but there's no randomness in my parents working overtime and budgeting responsibly that made it possible.

>And what was your contribution to those achievements to justify this pride?

I am a part of the same collective, the long and continued story of my people. I am proud of those who came before me.

>You have to be careful to not fall into the trap of borrowed glory

You have to be careful not to fall into the trap of nihilistic individualism. You are part of something much bigger than yourself. Be suspicious of anyone trying to sever your connection to your people and your history.

>Are you implying that the place belongs more fully to descendants of earlier inhabitants than to newer members of the community?

That makes sense, yes. To your example, I would say that Native Americans have very little claim to the modern USA as practically everything was built by Europeans. They failed to defend their lands and were successfully conquered. In the same way, it would be absurd in my view for the majority non-White population of London (almost all of whom are very recent colonisers) to gaze around at the infrastructure and architecture and think "We made this."

>Are you then also ashamed of their crimes?

Sure, but not nearly as ashamed as our enemies would like us to be. Isn't it funny how we are supposed to recoil in shame and horror with the constant reminders of the worst parts of our people's history, yet we are condemned for also proudly owning our best?

ninjagoo 3 hours ago | parent [-]

  >> Are you claiming to have controlled where and to whom you were born?
  > My parents did. Their parents did. My children will.
But not you

  >> you did not earn them
  > My parents did. Their parents did. My children will.
But not you

  > Everything I have today has been hard-earned by my ancestors.
But not by you

  > Everything my children have will be hard-earned by my ancestors and I. *We* earned them.
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