The more you look into these trendy TUIs the worse it gets -- it's like the developers took the accumulation of all the worst practices since the dawn of programming, and wrapped it all into one unwieldy, overweight, under-performant gelatinous blob that threatens to collapse under its own weight.

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MBCook 3 hours ago | parent [-]

They’re not terminal UIs.

They’re attempts at pretending to have Windows (etc.) GUIs in a terminal.

Same stuff people made for DOS when Windows wasn’t common or good enough yet.

I’m not surprised they’re a disaster. Or built without understanding the abilities of the terminal they’re running on.

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sethaurus 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If you don't want people calling these apps TUIs, what would you prefer people call them? And what does the term TUI refer to, if not this?

	▲	bitwize 25 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Text User Interface.

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dspillett an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> They’re not terminal UIs.

Actually, I think that is close to a good name for them: Terminal-based GUIs.

Some are pretty useful, for instance I like lazygit as a simple dashboard/panel for a small repo (or when making small changes to a larger one), some make me wonder what those who made them were smoking!

The less silly ones are handy when you are tinkering with a far away machine and want something a little more interactive than CLI commands and stuff connected by pipes and scripts but don't want to deal with the latency of GUI remoting. Some, though, are so badly thought out that they are slower than using a browser over long-distance X…

	▲	MBCook 30 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		There are useful ones. Something like Midnight Commander can be way better than lots of manual copy and move commands. The kernel config one is way nicer than the stream style kernel configuration tool. Some of these newer ones are starting to feel more like “text mode bling” than useful. My objection to TUI is I don’t think it’s clear enough for what’s happening here. I think you could easily argue that applies to most readline style stream CLI programs. Would you call a fully 3D UI in VR, not a planar in the VR world but true 3D, a GUI? It is graphical by definition. But if you talked to someone about a GUI that’s not what they’d think you’re talking about without additional context. That’s my objection. I think TUI implies way less than what these programs are doing. Yeah it can describe them but I don’t think it should be the word for them.

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kordlessagain 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A shell is the environmental manager, the terminal is the display device, and the window is the container. Add in tabs, web panes and sticky notes + make it all agentic, you get Hyperia: https://hyperia.nuts.services