ANTHROPIC_MODEL=deepseek-v4-pro[1m] ANTHROPIC_SUBAGENT_MODEL=deepseek-v4-flash

This is what I’ve been using for non-confidential projects for about a week now (soon after v4 came out). I honestly can’t tell the difference, but I’m not doing anything crazy with it either.

Worth noting that I don’t think DeepSeek‘s API lets you opt out of training. Once this is up on other providers though…

It seems like any project that makes fun of Claude is bound to reach the top spot on Hacker News. Even if it’s just a project consisting of four lines of code.

This in essence is what allows one to use any model with CC -- including local.

The AI wars have begun

There probably isn't a point. Someone didn't understand something, didn't research it, so they 1 shotted their first thought and sent it to the front page of HN and all of their socials. It's the future bruh

From vibe coders for vibe coders

I thought the tool format wasnt exactly the same ? So plugging any IA into claude code requires a conversion of format

I'm curious how well it actually works. I tried Deepseek with Hermes and Opencode and it seemed extremely bad about using some of the basic tools given, like the Hermes holographic memory tools, even with system prompt instructions strongly pointing them out.

I’m going to throw my harness in the ring: https://codeberg.org/mlow/lmcli

agreed. OpenCode is a strong base, and with a couple modifications it can become a very effective harness. my sideproject mouse.dev I’ve been combining parts from OpenCode, Claude Code, and Hermes to build a cloud agent architecture that works well from mobile.

> I would first suggest looking into pi.dev

Looked into this one. Thought it was suspicious that it only had 7 open issues on github. Turns out they have a bot that auto-closes every single issue just because.

I honestly have no words.

Another very cost-effective option is Ollama Cloud. In a month of use, I only hit the 5-hour limit once, when I ran 8 agents simultaneously for 2 hours.

This is the problem: you need the best model, not just a good one, for: - Good architecture, which requires reading specs, code, etc. reads like: lots of tokens in/out - Bug fixing — same, plus logs, e.g. datadog

Once you've found the path, patches are trivial and the savings are tiny unless you're doing refactoring/cleanup.

testing gets more and more complicated. Take a look at opencode go, and you see this:

>Includes GLM-5.1, GLM-5, Kimi K2.5, Kimi K2.6, MiMo-V2-Pro, MiMo-V2-Omni, MiMo->V2.5-Pro, MiMo-V2.5, Qwen3.5 Plus, Qwen3.6 Plus, MiniMax M2.5, MiniMax M2.7, >DeepSeek V4 Pro, and DeepSeek V4 Flash

and now on your own with bugs, all of these models can produce at scale. Am i missing anything in this picture. What is the real use of cheaper models?

A lot of people are having good experiences doing things like using opus for designing and using locally hosted qwen3.6 for implementation.

I could see a serious cost reduction story by using opus for design and deepseek for implementation.

Personally I would avoid anthropic entirely. But I get why people don't.

I keep re-learning this lesson: I chug along with a lesser model then throw a problem at it that's too complex. Then I try different models until I give up and bring in Opus 4.6 to clean up.

I don’t find this with sonnet at all. As long as I have a solid Claude.md and periodically review the output and enforce good code practices via basic CI gates I’ve rarely ever found myself having to switch to opus

In my anecdotal experience, it is not. Same model, opus, works better in 3P harnesses such as Factory Droid or Amp.

Claude code, on the other hand, is the most subsidized one, both for consumers (through max subscription) and for enterprises (token discounts). It is also heavily optimized for cost, specially token caching and reduced thinking, at the expense of quality.

It's going to be real hard to find headlines that weren't vibe coded from here on out unfortunately.

poorly vibe coded. machines can check details easily, use them.

CC has the ability to use Ollama as well, which includes the ability for Ollama to proxy to Ollama's cloud models. It's brilliant, and works with a single Ollama command that doesn't mess with CC at all (so you can run them at the same time).

If you are interested, I've built an agentic terminal that helps manage these types of things better: https://deepbluedynamics.com/hyperia

Yes, Deepseek even documents how:

https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/agent_integrations...

Yes, from Claude Code themselves: https://code.claude.com/docs/en/llm-gateway

Here's a oneliner:

   ANTHROPIC_BASE_URL="https://openrouter.ai/api" ANTHROPIC_AUTH_TOKEN="$OPENROUTER_API_KEY" ANTHROPIC_DEFAULT_SONNET_MODEL="deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash" CLAUDE_CODE_DISABLE_NONESSENTIAL_TRAFFIC=1 claude

This repo's README explains how it works and you can do it yourself. claude looks for environment variables that say which API endpoint to talk to, which key to pass, which model name to use for haiku/sonnet/opus-level workloads, etc.

Coding harnesses make a big difference, and OpenCode is notably less effective than Claude Code (1) in my experience, (2) with the models I've tried it on. (I've not yet tried it with DSv4.)

As someone who does use other models with CC, I am curious about opencode, what extra features does it have that you find essential?

More features than CC ?

Also opencode tracks you by default. Its not safe. Every first prompt you send is routed through their servers, logged and they can use your data however they want

I think OAI and Anthropic will be ok for a year or two. But after that If they still continue to earn revenues from selling tokens to firms/software engineers they will be in serious trouble.

The American firms are not demonstrating escape velocity and as long as china offers something somewhat comparable and offers it at a very low price to compensate for any difference in quality, they will not be generating enough in cash flows to finance reinvestment. I highly doubt they’ll be able to continue raising external financing for numerous periods from here on out - they gotta start showing strong financials and that they are running away from the open source models.

> anthropic messed up big time harness works with any muh commodity LLM

that surprised me too. The intelligence is at the client, and by making that open, anthropic has commoditized the coding agent.