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forgotusername6 8 hours ago

I think it's a reasonable statue. But does anyone else think it's a bit obvious, more so than his other work? Like there is no doubt on the meaning at all, it's all right there on the surface level.

hn_throwaway_99 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Strong disagree. First, like many of the other comments mention, Banksy is known for being clever and witty, but not particularly subtle.

But more to the point, while you may think the meaning is a bit obvious, the fact that the flag is unadorned (which/whose flag is it?), and the man is unknown, makes me think this statue could be the ultimate Rorschach test. I'm sure there are tons of people thinking "Ha ha, this is the perfect commentary on all those idiot <people on the other side who I disagree with> wrapping themselves up in their ideology of <patriotism/social justice/cause du jour> as they march <some particular country/society/the world at large off a cliff>".

In other words, I'm guessing you probably felt the meaning was "obvious" because you filled in the blanks in the above madlibs-style statement in a way that feels obvious to you, and I think folks on "the other side" would probably fill in the blanks with the exact opposite notions in a way that feels "obvious" to them.

squigz 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The ambiguity - that this could apply to anyone, that people are so caught up in their belief of choice - is part of the obviousness, at least to me. I would expect more people to be aware of this, than to actually believe that it's talking about, say, Americans in particular.

arduanika 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> the fact that the flag is unadorned (which/whose flag is it?), and the man is unknown, makes me think this statue could be the ultimate Rorschach test

This is part of what's obvious. The whole thing, including this oooh aahh Rorschach part, is obvious. It's thoughts that we all had in high school, and it is hack.

leourbina 3 hours ago | parent [-]

And yet here here we all are taking about it. Art is about inciting a response, and he’s done it. Whether we think he’s a hack or not is irrelevant - he has the world’s attention.

Petersipoi 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Gp said, "it's a hack"

You said, "Whether we think he's a hack", which fundamentally changes what is being discussed.

The only reason we're talking about this is because of Banksy. Not because it is a clever or "deep" piece. It's disappointingly surface level, and the fact that we're talking about that doesn't suggest otherwise.

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throwaway894345 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm guessing most would assume this is about nationalists, and I don't think even the nationalists would imagine Banksy is on their side?

gkoberger 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I think you'd be surprised. People interpret art how they want.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musicians_who_oppose_Donald_Tr...

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gerdesj 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The flag is unadorned and I think you can extend your interpretation to include the proliferation of flags which have a minimal "history".

Banksy is from Bris'l which is sort of north Somerset (Somerset keeps on morphing faster than a sci-fi shapeshifter).

Cornwall has had a white cross on a black flag since 18something. Devon decided to adopt a black edged white cross on a green flag. I remember seeing Devon flag car stickers in the '80s - its a little older than that. Somerset now has ... a flag. Yellow and red I think.

No idea why because people can't decide what it is! The land itself knows exactly what and where it is but the political boundaries ebb and flow with the phases of the moon. Is Avon included ... what is Avon? Ooh, BANES - Somerset? Not today thank you. It goes on. Anyway, do Devon and Somerset and co really need a flag? No of course not.

What we really need is a Wessex flag, which will take over Mercia ... and a few other regional efforts ... and end up as a red cross on a white background. Then we could munge that with a couple of other flags and confuse the entire world with something called the Union Flag.

Then we can really get complicated ... hi Hawaii!

mootothemax 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> what is Avon?

Welsh for river.

tene80i 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not sure we think of Banksy as being particularly subtle. Innovative and impactful, sure - but the message is usually quite clear, no?

morkalork 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's always been about as subtle as a sledge hammer

EGreg 7 hours ago | parent [-]

He started with literally graffiti. So sure - not subtle!!

filoleg 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Not gonna lie, I am not sure how the choice of medium here (graffiti) has anything to do with how subtle (or not) the message of an art piece is.

morkalork 4 hours ago | parent [-]

There's a well known theory on this exact concept! The Medium is the Message. Or, the very act of defacing a public building is meant to sledge-hammer the artist's work into the viewer's consciousness. Compared to say, some quiet exhibit most people would never encounter.

ares623 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Our first exposure to Banksy was when we were hitting puberty. We probably thought they were subtle back then.

tialaramex 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think most of his work is trying for subtle? First thing that came to mind: "Slave Labour" is pretty obvious, it's a kid operating a sewing machine to make Union flags and it was painted on an actual pound shop. Were you unsure of the message? Even something like "Silent Majority" isn't difficult, the comic book "V for Vendetta" makes the exact same point just Banksy painted it as a mural.

ChoGGi 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Pound shop == dollar store

I suppose I should've figured that one out.

kimixa an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think the sheer number of people below arguing it might not be about nationalism shows this sort of "Obvious" direct work may still be needed.

EMM_386 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> "in September 2025, Banksy painted a mural on the Royal Courts of Justice depicting a judge bludgeoning a protester with a gavel"

His other works aren't subtle.

tbrownaw 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> there is no doubt on the meaning at all

Which flag? Or, what kind of flag? Or does it matter?

kergonath 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It does not matter. Any ideology can be followed blindly to one’s ruin. Nationalism is common, but there are others.

indy 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"The LGBTQIA flag obviously"

"It's clearly the national flag"

actionfromafar 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes?

ChoGGi 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Whatever flag binds/blinds you.

blitzar 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

the kind that flag shaggers shag

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Ancapistani 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’d say what matters is whether it matters to you. What difference does it make in the outcome?

MattGaiser 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Flags overwhelmingly represent nations, groups considering themselves nations, that were nations or have some kind of individual governmental status.

If you asked 100 people to imagine a particular flag to attach to that statue, 95% of them are going to be current, unrecognized, or former states.

Findecanor 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why could it not mean multiple flags at once?

wartywhoa23 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It is universal. The flag, the state, the man. Details don't matter.

ignoramous 6 hours ago | parent [-]

In the context of UK politics, and given Banksy's previous socio-political work, this statue is probably a response to 'the nationalists': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Raise_the_Colours

thinkingemote 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

it gets people talking which many of those who like it consider to be the primary point. In other words, it's not great public art, it's basically government approved engagement bait or engineered pro-establishment viral messaging and it's very successful at that! (but it doesn't inspire and elevate that art should aspire to)

nickthegreek 8 hours ago | parent [-]

> engineered pro-establishment viral messaging

I don’t understand this. What speaks pro-establishment in this piece?

chroma 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It was installed in the middle of a street owned by the government. Police are guarding it to prevent vandalism or removal. Both the Westminster City Council and the Mayor of London have praised the statue and called for it to be preserved.[1][2]

If the man holding the flag had been wearing a thawb instead of a suit, or if the statue had been of a woman, I think the establishment's response would be quite different.

1. From https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y9wlnwl85o "We're excited to see Banksy's latest sculpture in Westminster, making a striking addition to the city's vibrant public art scene. While we have taken initial steps to protect the statue, at this time it will remain accessible for the public to view and enjoy."

2. From https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/30/world/europe/banksy-londo... "Banksy has a great ability to inspire people from a range of backgrounds to enjoy modern art. His work always draws great interest and debate, and the mayor is hopeful that his latest piece can be preserved for Londoners and visitors to enjoy."

jjmarr 6 hours ago | parent [-]

The area it's installed in is famous for sculptures of figures that served the British Empire, generally in combat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_public_art_in_St_James...

It's not exactly subtle. A man goose stepping while blinded by a flag is a contrast to the other military figures portrayed in victorious poses.

teekert 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If one can read this as pro-establishment, it's proof that the the art is indeed not so obvious as suggested above :)

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pirate787 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In the UK the establishment is generally unsettled by the display of the English flag.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/29/uk/st-george-flag-england...

overfeed 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Regional chauvinism is never good for a healthy union. Even if it were the Union Jack, flag-shaggers are almost always blood and soil zealots.

chroma 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I think a small level of it is fine. It’s like sports teams. You can be a Giants fan and I can be a Yankees fan, and we’ll bicker & make fun of each other for supporting a different team. But we can still work together & be civil when it comes to lots of other stuff.

Jtarii 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think a good old fashined "we are all fucked" is warranted now and again.

It's also referencing the recent flag controversies in the UK over the past year.

wand3r 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Certainly in America but all over the west, people are significantly less capable of media literacy. Sometimes the obvious needs to be said.

kergonath 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> Certainly in America but all over the west, people are significantly less capable of media literacy.

Not sure if you are serious, but my experience is the exact opposite…

hristov 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you want to make a political message it often helps to be obvious. This way the meaning of your message will not be misinterpreted either intentionally or un-intentionally.

at-fates-hands 3 hours ago | parent [-]

His messages were always the same politically. He was always snubbing his nose at the crown, at the art world and other rich folks who would pay millions of pounds for his art. Back in the day when I discovered him, he came off as a rebel, as most graffiti writers do.

Now? He makes millions off his work while still thumbing his nose at capitalism? Doesn't ring the same any more. You can't claim to be fighting against the same system that you use to make millions.

solenoid0937 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> You can't claim to be fighting against the same system that you use to make millions.

You absolutely can though. This is a false dichotomy.

nutjob2 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The best art makes you think and/or feel, and engage with it in a personal way.

There's nothing about subtly in that claim, and all forms of art are equally valid, if not the same quality.

Bansky's art has always been blunt and whimsical, probably because he makes popular street art. It's meant to be "accessible" for your average passerby who might only engage with it for a fraction of a second, but maybe get a little surprise when they do.

BoggleOhYeah 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Have you seen the state of the world? Why would you go through the trouble of being subtle nowadays?

ungreased0675 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This one definitely lacks ambition compared to other works. Probably because his other work had a subversive undertone, this one seems sponsored by the powers that be. I also suspect it was installed with cooperation from the local authorities.

fooqux 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think you took a wildly different interpretation of this art than I did.

BoggleOhYeah 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The “powers that be” hate ideology?

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pibaker 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Have you seen his other works in recent years? It's hard to get any more obvious than a judge beating up someone with his gavel or a boy judo throwing Putin.

It's not like Banksy is known for being a sophisticated highfalutin MFA student anyway. Like it or not, appealing to the masses with simple and clear moral messages has always been his deal.

seydor 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

it's less than mediocre art. Using the following statue from Temu for vandalism would be a stronger art statement: https://www.temu.com/1pc-3d-printed-bride-sculpture-elegant-...

zeroonetwothree 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes doesn’t feel very innovative

vscode-rest 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Do know know of any “prior art”, so to speak?

LightBug1 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He's always been one to land a one-liner, or just a punch line.

Sadly, in this day and age, that simple one-punch obvious meaning is just what's needed.

mindslight 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well the problems it's referencing are glaringly obvious as well, and yet so many people still refuse to acknowledge them.

twoodfin 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have the same reaction to Banksy, and figure he and his audience just have to be in on the joke? I can’t discount there’s some layered irony going on in conversation between the artist and the intellectual / capitalist / trend-setting elite that are his effective patrons.

“I remember when all this was trees” [1] is maybe the best example. Detroit hasn’t been “trees” in something like two centuries. Platitudes doused in treacle.

[1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/01/ba...

defrost 4 hours ago | parent [-]

A better example of a knowing joke between artist and establishment would be the auction of a Banksy work on paper poised above and within the jaws of a paper shredder .. that was then half shredded on the fall of the hammer and sale.

For clarity, the shredder was part of the work and the sale was of the half destroyed piece along with shredder and chaff.

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kiney 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

all his work is slop. No difference here...

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