I guess we are not the same.

I would be perfectly fine with this new branch of "software development" if you guys didn't coopt our name and call yourselves programmers and engineers.

I did programming for 7 years (before I moved to management for 10). I’m definitely an engineer and LLMs at this point are not good enough where a non-engineer could come up with something solid out of vibe coding. That might not be true in 6 months.