| ▲ | torpfactory 16 hours ago | |||||||||||||
What are the alternatives for Europe? Continue to import oil and gas? Have some of your most important economic inputs price and supply controlled by the dumbest egomaniacs alive? Nuclear? Good luck building it on time and on budget. Also where exactly are you getting that Uranium from? I’m not necessarily against nuclear I just don’t think there’s much you can do in five or ten years to move the needle with Nuclear. Wind? Actually a good option as it has a strong domestic supply chain. Solar? Buy China’s cheap panels as long as they are selling. If they stop selling figure out how to do it yourself. It’s not some big mystery how panels get made, China just had the foresight to invest in the scale required to drive prices down. Coal? I mean at least it’s local. But solar + batteries are either beating it now or will be in the next few years if the same trends that have held for the last 30 years continue for the next 2-5. So you’d be investing in a more expensive, dirtier technology for what end? There is no world where you get to not make a decision and the risk just disappears. I think renewables have the clear advantage here and have very manageable risks. | ||||||||||||||
| ▲ | pyrale 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||
> Also where exactly are you getting that Uranium from? Uranium can be stockpiled relatively easily (france had 4-5 years of uranium stockpiled). Since it is about 1% of the energy cost, that’s pretty inexpensive. Also, uranium comes from suppliers on 4 different continents, there is little chance that it becomes unavailable overnight. | ||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | cycomanic 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||
Importantly, it used to be Germany which had all the expertise, until the CDU government destroyed much of the German solar industry over night. It's funny how everyone always talks about Germany stopping Nuclear energy but nobody ever talks about the fact that subsequent German governments destroyed the renewables industry twice (and they are talking about it again), largely due to lobbying from the coal, Nuclear and car industries. Definitely an interesting what if | ||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | froggy 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||
There are solar panel manufacturers outside of China that have no dependence on Chinese inputs such as polysilicon, wafers, and ingots. Two that come to mind are First Solar (US) and Toyo Solar (Japan). I’m sure there are others. Europe can buy from them while scaling local manufacturing. | ||||||||||||||