Sometimes I think that, if Java ditched the idea of JVM and followed what modern languages did today (write once, compile on every major platform), things would be different.

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maxloh 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think so. Oracle isn’t a consumer-facing company and doesn't really care about that sector. SWT and Swing will likely remain as ugly as they are for the next century, regardless of their popularity.

Microsoft, Google, and Apple have invested millions to polish their GUI solutions because that’s where their revenue comes from.

	▲	MrBuddyCasino an hour ago \| parent [-]
		JavaFX is surprisingly decent. Nobody cares bc the web ate everything.

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wmf 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What's even sadder is that was built and Sun fought against it because they were worried that devs would only compile for Win32.

	▲	AnthonyMouse 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The trouble there is that Sun was right about that. Doing it that way works great for open source where anyone can recompile the software for a new target, but for proprietary software they would have given you a Windows blob and that's about it. Meanwhile the problems with Java were mostly not the JVM. Its current problem is, of course, Oracle.