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stkdump 4 hours ago

> In the real world, the internet is TCP/IP

I guess he missed http3, which now makes up 35% of web traffic.

marshray 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> something that comes from consensus from a big, top-down standardisation body usually fails.

So IETF is the "big, top-down standardisation body" producing "bloated, inefficient and largely unused standards" here?

Wouldn't be the first time someone characterized it as such.

> The internet is an example of the implementation of a top-down approach when a scientist submits a paper for an RFC and iterates on it until it's de-facto protocol of the internet.

Yeah, he must be talking about the IETF. Very consensus-driven, most participants funded by vendors, difficult to iterate after RFC approval.

> While their nimbler competition is being adopted, iterated, and expanded. In the internet protocol use cases, OSI Model is now essentially just a theory taught in networking training, certification, and classes. In the real world, the internet is TCP/IP, and it's TCP IP that runs on computers, phones, and other devices.

Now I'm confused. TCP/IP are literally defined by IETF RFCs.

wmf 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Technically the Internet runs on "the Internet Protocol Suite" but people just say "TCP/IP" for short. That doesn't mean to exclude UDP, SCTP, or whatever.

stkdump 4 hours ago | parent [-]

So what exactly does he mean then?

wmf 4 hours ago | parent [-]

He means the Internet runs on the Internet Protocol Suite and not the "superior" OSI Protocol Suite (that people under age 50 have never heard of because it failed).

p_l 2 hours ago | parent [-]

And because of that, badly reinvented mostly through HTTP

ablob 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

http3 operates on a different OSI layer

stkdump 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, which the article claims is just a theory now, irrelevant for the real world. More crucially though, http3 doesn't use TCP because it is built on top of UDP.

magicalhippo 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It's like how people say "pass me the butter" despite there's just a tub of margarine on the table.