| ▲ | Clandestine network smuggling Starlink tech into Iran to beat internet blackout(bbc.com) |
| 151 points by 1659447091 6 hours ago | 59 comments |
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| ▲ | miohtama 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| On other news, Iran is banning IPv6, UDP, DNS, ICMP to tighten the blackout https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/permanent-ban-ipv6-forced-nat... |
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| ▲ | pwdisswordfishq 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It's no longer a ban / blacklist. It's a whitelist with extremely strict rules and DPI inspection. You can connect to example.com ONLY if it is whitelisted, and only if you use this specific IP and Port, with this specific TLS handshake fingerprint and certificate, and the first N packets follow these timing / length patterns. A few weeks ago a very clever way to bypass the SNI whitelist was introduced [1] (SNI spoofing for cloudflare!) but it was subsequently blocked. Some claim that at this moment all outbound TCP connections are terminated inside the firewall / ISPs and therefore methods like [1] based on injecting fake or problematic TCP packets no longer work. It seems like even SYN-free TCP connections (again, breaking protocol) are no longer accessible. [1] https://github.com/therealaleph/sni-spoofing-rust | |
| ▲ | wesselbindt a minute ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Are there other sources than a linkedin post? I try to be a bit more critical of information in times of war. God knows we've been lied to before, by all sides. I've seen janitorial schedules be presented as a terrorist sign in sheets. | |
| ▲ | Barbing 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Archive - https://ghostarchive.org/archive/BjCwU |
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| ▲ | adiabatichottub 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I learned from a BSides presentation that Ukranian military are using Starlink trancievers placed in pits to beat ground-based signal detection. Do with that what you will. |
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| ▲ | wmf an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I heard that Iran is just looking for Starlink SSIDs so if you turn off Wi-Fi they won't find it. | |
| ▲ | tantalor 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Wouldn't they be easily detected from airborne drones? | | |
| ▲ | XorNot 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, because the collimating effect on the beam would still require you to have line of sight to the emitter, and if a drone is able to get that close without being intercepted then something else has already gone wrong. But this is also an example of weird absolutist thinking about military tactics: is it unbeatable? No. Does it complicate the surveillance and detection picture? Yes. | | |
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| ▲ | walrus01 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Netblocks has been doing some very good work tracking the presence or absence of known IP blocks previously announced by Iranian ASNs. The charts really speak for themselves. For those who don't keep track of backbone ISP topologies: Iran has 3 or 4 major entirely government controlled ASNs which all domestic ISPs are obligated to be downstream of. The government controlled AS run all the international transit connections (at the BGP level) and also the physical fiber/longhaul DWDM systems into a few neighboring countries. It makes it very easy to cut off all the downstream domestic only ISPs. https://netblocks.org/ |
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| ▲ | mlmonkey 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Maybe we need to start a GoFundMe to sponsor some of these Starlink terminals.... ? |
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| ▲ | rblatz 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | It’s the death penalty for anyone caught with one. | | |
| ▲ | Levitz 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Per the article, it's seemingly not? >Last year, the Iranian government passed legislation that made using, buying or selling Starlink devices punishable by up to two years in prison. The jail term for distributing or importing more than 10 devices can be up to 10 years. | | |
| ▲ | pwdisswordfishq 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah but then Hesam died [1] ... yesterday in jail before having a trial. He was 40, wasn't an activist and had two daughters. EDIT: To provide more context: Let's say that "John" is arrested for having had "illegal internet access" (not even owning a starlink). Even if he has a trial, the prosecutor can, and will, argue that he could have used his a secure channel to collaborate with the Mossad and CIA. If they find any unfavorable social media posts on his phone (and believe me, they will) they will say that he has endangered the national security by encouraging unrest and violent protests. This would then amount to waging war against God and death penalty. If his phone is so clean that they don't find anything, it must be the fact that he is an agent, a mercenary. They will torture him until he confesses to having collaborated with Mossad. They will then air a forced confession on TV. John might get lucky and have a caring family member from IRGC. In that case you might be right, he will only receive a prison sentence. If he had had a higher ranking IRGC family member he could even go further and start selling his starlink VPN for around $5 / GB. It's not even a hypothetical situation, I had to buy one of these (and it indeed was a starlink connection) four weeks ago ... [1] https://x.com/indypersian/status/2050088043118211341 | |
| ▲ | throwawaypath 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Shocking, but it may soon be (or is currently) true: "Iran Prepares Death Penalty Law for Starlink Internet Use" https://iranwire.com/en/news/145471-iran-prepares-death-pena... | |
| ▲ | nickff 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The regime has killed 40k of their own citizens; they don’t seem to be going through due process and sentencing in court… | |
| ▲ | nullsanity 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Per reports as of a few days ago, yes there are very much murdering people with starlink. Last year was before the current crisis. People are being murdered in the streets daily by the regime, and ordinary people are desperate for it to end. |
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| ▲ | Pay08 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In all fairness, that's true for a lot of things in Iran, and some of those are not actually enforced or only enforced some of the time (which is where the forcibly transitioning gay people thing came from). | |
| ▲ | squigz 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Some things are worth the risk. | | |
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| ▲ | m00dy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I know how to smuggle starlink devices in a mass scale into Iran. |
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| ▲ | fchicken 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| We are not the good guys in iran |
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| ▲ | marcosdumay 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | On the specific concerns of giving internet to civilians, yes you are. I just don't know if those civilians will trust you. They have plenty of reasons not to. | |
| ▲ | walrus01 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Wanting the ordinary Iranian civilian to have uncensored, properly functioning broadband Internet service is a good thing no matter where you stand on the topic of current military action by either side. | |
| ▲ | Jabrov 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You are not we | | |
| ▲ | Mikhail_Edoshin 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The person takes the responsibility; you are excluding him from the society that you implicitly claim to represent. These two are very different intentions. |
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| ▲ | hirako2000 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I thought that was exactly how the spies got made. As Iranians figured they could just narrow the signal. |
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| ▲ | bhouston 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I suspect the Internet blackout in Iran is not actually related to its citizens - it isn't about silencing its citizens. It is to prevent hacking and tracking by US and Israel of what is going on over there, it is defensive since it has been shown that Iran's connected infrastructure is thoroughly compromised. |
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| ▲ | burnrate 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s 100% to prevent citizens from becoming organized. The regime is most fearful of this. | | |
| ▲ | tokioyoyo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | How did people organize pre-Internet times though? | | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There's multiple motives, not just counter-organization. A media blackout prevents OSINT damage analysis, much like how the IDF and CENTCOM both censor reporting of attacks on their in-theater installations. | | |
| ▲ | Pay08 32 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They could easily just censor that, especially since a dictatorship has far more control over the media compared to democracies. | | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The OSINT is a bigger threat than the state media in Iran, hence the internet blackout. |
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| ▲ | fgfarben 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | which is the exact same reason China bans Starlink. | | |
| ▲ | SXX 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Chinas level of internet filtration and censorship nowhere near Iran or Russia. You just buy tourist eSIM and you're golden in China and literally everyone who wants do it. Chinese government don't care about small percent of population accessing open internet. | |
| ▲ | markdown 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I wonder why BYD is banned in the US. Are we afraid they'll be used to transport people to gatherings? | | |
| ▲ | SXX 9 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I'm not from US, but China is certainly subsidize a lot of its manufacturers to capture global markets while not giving access to it's local market to western companies. US is able to produce cars on its soil and there is no reason to give up this industry to foreign country. It's pretty sane policy. |
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| ▲ | sysguest 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | this well... so obvious | |
| ▲ | xbmcuser 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think the regime narrative is mostly made up by Americans what's the difference between any of the Arab countries from Iran. The only difference is they are not controlled by America. It the same bullshit narrative of promoting democracy but in reality it's just about pushing for a government no matter how bad as long as it supports US control. | | |
| ▲ | boc 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Iranians are not Arabs and thousands of them got gunned down earlier this year protesting the regime. "America bad" doesn't change the fact that the Iranian people deserve a better future. | |
| ▲ | E-Reverance 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | FYI it’s not an Arab country |
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| ▲ | adam_arthur 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The blackout started back in January before the US even got involved. Due to widespread protests and an attempt to crack down on coordination. This chain of events was widely reported. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Internet_blackout_in_Iran | | |
| ▲ | Mikhail_Edoshin 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Before the US started an open war. US has been involved in a relentless anti-Iranian campaign since before I was born (I'm 55). | |
| ▲ | Ancapistani 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It definitely ramped up with the invasion. I watched the webcam streams go dark. |
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| ▲ | tjwebbnorfolk 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The internet is only off for those who don't have a special sim card, i.e. those who aren't associated with the IRGC. | |
| ▲ | ShabbyDoo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Is Iran's domestic internet still fully operational (sans access to/from the outside world)? If so, I wouldn't think the cut-off would help much security-wise because a single Starlink terminal would allow the US/Israel domestic access. | | |
| ▲ | Pay08 31 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I don't think it is. At least from Iranians I've heard from, domestic internet was online for a little while but was turned off in February or so. |
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| ▲ | throwawayheui57 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It’s defensive indeed! It’s defense against the people whom the regime is most afraid of! | |
| ▲ | stingraycharles 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How do people communicate now? And why wouldn’t that be compromised? | |
| ▲ | rayiner 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Except that Iran has been doing it since 2019: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Iran | |
| ▲ | mullingitover 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted for pointing out the obvious: yes obviously the US and Israel will exploit the information system of their enemy if they can, and it’s absolutely rational to deny them the opportunity to do so. | | |
| ▲ | throwawayheui57 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Should internet and outside access be cut for people of Gaza and Lebanon too? Aren’t they targeted by Israel as well? | | |
| ▲ | AngryData 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | If they could credibly threaten your infrastructure then it makes sense. If they have no real organized hacking capabilities then no. But the US has already attacked Iran through computers before with Stuxnet and is the world leader in software and networking knowledge so it does make perfect sense for Iran to disconnect its networks from outside. You might also have to consider the propaganda campaigns the US could run against an Iranian population with web access. If the population isn't more discontent now than it already was, "secretly" replacing commercial ad placements on western websites with US propaganda when the requests come from Iranian sources could make them discontent or inflame them further, which is bad for the Iranian government. | | |
| ▲ | throwawayheui57 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | To say these on HN of all places! > consider the propaganda campaigns the US could run against an Iranian population with web access. I’m amazed at people who have access to freely express their opinions online, prescribe that 90m people should not have the right to freely access information because they somehow can’t be trusted to not fall for propaganda. What a patronizing and self righteous take. |
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| ▲ | t-3 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The government of Lebanon is cooperating with Israel - it's only the southerners/Hezbollah in conflict, at least for now. The people of Gaza are cut off for the most part. The strict censorship inside Israel is what you should compare to - not as strict as a total access ban, but if you say the wrong things or take pictures of the wrong stuff you're going to prison. | | |
| ▲ | nandomrumber an hour ago | parent [-] | | > but if you say the wrong things or take pictures of the wrong stuff you're going to prison. That’s true in most counties. And for good reason. Israel is tiny, and has a population of 10.1 million. And a fair amount of military firepower. You probably shouldn’t be taking photos of, say, Iron Dome equipment locations. |
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| ▲ | mullingitover 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | My point is that the people of Iran aren’t the target of the disruption. Remember when Ukraine used the Russian cellular internet to operate drones that destroyed numerous Russian heavy bomber aircraft? That’s what the US/Israel would logically be expected to do if there were wide open internet access in Iran. This is obvious game theory playing out militarily, people only see political suppression but warfare is a totally different ballgame. If China were waging large scale war on the US I’d expect the exact same countermeasures to happen. |
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