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Animats 6 hours ago

Does that make the code uncopyrightable? Non-human authorship?

Dylan16807 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If it's actually co authored then you should be fine on copyright.

And of course dumb messages that aren't true won't affect copyright.

lelanthran 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> If it's actually co authored then you should be fine on copyright

How so? All your outoutput is now legally partly owned by Microsoft?

Dylan16807 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The bot (and therefore microsoft) doesn't get any copyright at all.

cookiengineer 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The real question is why Anthropic was able to use DMCA takedown requests "in good faith" against the Claude leaks when their own CTO claimed it is a 100% slopcoded codebase, and they themselves argue that all LLM generated code is transformed enough to not be copyrightable. Which they have to state without being able to turn back because they violated millions of book and software licenses during training.

Make it make sense.

naruhodo 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Truth, law and consequences (for the capital class) are so last year.

ashirviskas 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What? Training is not inference. Reading books is not the same as writing.

cookiengineer 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Maybe read up on how transformers, their encoders and decoders, and the attention matrix works?

https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.03762

redwall_hp 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The courts have determined that, yes, and that is the position of the Copyright Office. And the Supreme Court has rejected appeal, so that's the standing precedent.

Realistically, look forward to SOX style audits and having to maintain evidence of how much of a code base has human authorship vs machine generation. Or reject slop.

I can't wait for:

* The first company to do perjury for litigating over a nonexistent copyright for machine generated code.

* The first company to get nailed to the wall for reverse engineering and replicating high profile copyrighted code, like Windows.

circuit10 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Having a tool involved isn't the same as being entirely generated by a tool

For example, without any AI, if I generate a lookup table for the sine function in my code, that table may not be copyrightable because it was machine-generated, but it doesn't somehow make the rest of the code not copyrightable either

"Co-authored by" doesn't imply it was entirely machine-generated