I never said this was zero sum game. I just think its humorous when folks get spun up about russian or chinese propoganda, as if our own intelligence agencies aren't actively managing (to a far greater degree, I assume, due to their location in western datacenters) online sources like wikipedia.

It's all propaganda. They even wrote a book (the book) about it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_(book)

Goose, gander. A shame both sides can't lose.

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jszymborski 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> I never said this was zero sum game.

> A shame both sides can't lose.

If you didn't before, you just did.

Why can't I get "spun up" about Russian or Chinese propaganda AND US propaganda?

Why is it that you are free to assume that the magnitude of US interference is far greater than that of Russian or Chinese interference, but we can't even suggest that Russia is perpetrating what you've characterized as a relatively small operation?

As I said, I'll spend all day talking about the crimes of the US government, but it won't stop me from similarly litanizing those of China or Russia. I don't factor the former in my judgement if the latter, and vice versa.

	▲	recursivedoubts an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> If you didn't before, you just did. No, that would be a negative sum game. > Why can't I get "spun up" about Russian or Chinese propaganda AND US propaganda? You absolutely can. > Why is it that you are free to assume that the magnitude of US interference is far greater than that of Russian or Chinese interference, but we can't even suggest that Russia is perpetrating what you've characterized as a relatively small operation? I gave my reasoning: the servers are hosted in western nations and I assume that western intelligence agencies have far more control over them. If we were talking yandex, I'd assume the russians had more influence. It's a reasonable assumption, but I'm not too wedded to it. > As I said, I'll spend all day talking about the crimes of the US government, but it won't stop me from similarly litanizing those of China or Russia. I don't factor the former in my judgement if the latter, and vice versa. I fully support that position.