Don't forget to add rail incidents to that metric. I live in Spain, this year we had 4 derailments for a total of 48 deaths and 195 injured. The USA has had 0 passengers killed or injured from train accidents this year. Portugal had 15 death after a tram derailment. In Amsterdam, the tram is more dangerous than the car.

Also Germany is very high (for European standards) because of the Autobahn. They can save around 140 lives a year by having a limit on the Autobahn but the car lobby in Germany is very strong. Those 140 lives are seen as an OK cost just to go vroom on the Autobahn.

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Levitz 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>I live in Spain, this year we had 4 derailments for a total of 48 deaths and 195 injured.

Which, to be clear, is a considerable outlier. Highest since 2013 and about double the deaths and 4x the injured of a "normal" year.

Not to mention that trains are far safer than automobiles too.

>The USA has had 0 passengers killed or injured from train accidents this year.

Is this a fantastic, magical year or something? The normal number seems to be around 800 a year? https://www.kochandbrim.com/study-train-accident-deaths/

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		Your number includes suicides, trespassing and more. Only 24 passenger deaths in a ten year period.

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lancebeet 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hm, it's only something like 10% of German traffic fatalities that occur on the autobahn. And according to wikipedia, Germany doesn't rank high in terms of traffic fatalities, even by European standards. France has a similar number of highway deaths. I'm personally not a fan of the autobahn and especially not the unrestricted speed. It seems obvious that it should cause lots of fatalities, but the evidence for it just doesn't seem to be there.

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ruszki 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is a reason for that “per billion miles range”.

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andrepd 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What. in god's name are you saying?

> Don't forget to add rail incidents to that metric. I live in Spain, this year we had 4 derailments for a total of 48 deaths and 195 injured.

Yeah and how many in the 15 years prior? 112. Of which 80 were in a single (TGV) crash.

How many people die each year in Spanish roads? Thousands.

> The USA has had 0 passengers killed or injured from train accidents this year.

Can't have rail accidents if you don't have rail *taps side of head*

> Portugal had 15 death after a tram derailment.

Oh my god, after a 140-year old tourist attraction malfunctioned! Hardly representative of any transit system whatsoever.

> In Amsterdam, the tram is more dangerous than the car.

This is just not true, by any metric.

And also, why are cars comparatively less dangerous in Amsterdam than in most other places? Because it is not designed for cars first, there are low speed limits enforced by traffic calming (like speed humps and narrow cobbled streets) everywhere.

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		> Can't have rail accidents if you don't have rail taps side of head Sure the US has low rail-usage per-capita, but it's still enough for 50% more passenger-kilometers per year than Spain.
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		> Can't have rail accidents if you don't have rail taps side of head The USA has the world's largest network with 220000 kilometers of rail > This is just not true, by any metric. In Amsterdam the tram is 57x more deathly than the car. https://www.parool.nl/nieuws/al-twee-doden-dit-jaar-hoe-onve... Trams in Amsterdam should be replaced with busses. Busses stop much faster and don't weigh as much. Trams are literal death machines. It's really scary to ride bicycle in Amsterdam and hear the ding-ding-ding when you are about to be run over by a tram and you quickly have to move over. Also you seem to be a bit confused, Amsterdam does not use narrow cobbled streets for traffic calming. Maybe you are thinking of France or Belgium.