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jjmarr 8 hours ago

The "child safety measures" was dividing the playerbase into age groups and banning almost all communication between them. The age groups are under 9, 9–12, 13–15, 16–17, 18–20, and 21+. Users only speak to other players ±1 age group, so 18-20 can speak to 16-17 or 21+.

The problem is almost every game on Roblox is social and the matchmaking isn't mature enough to ensure players in a lobby can all communicate.

My favourite is "generic roleplay gaem". The main fun is inciting riots against the leader or forming alliances to do raids. I could join a game and within half-an-hour I'd be engaged in drama, since Roblox incentivizes ephemeral lobbies with random people meaning I don't need a lengthy time commitment to form an alliance.

But I can no longer do that because I am 25 years old and the lobbies are too young. Heck, I'd rather play that game with only other users over 18+ because I could swear and be more toxic. But the matchmaking system literally makes that impossible.

I've had the same Roblox account for 18 years and have spent tens of thousands of Robux on the platform. I let Roblox scan my passport even, so they know who I am. Even though I own nearly 1000 Steam games, Roblox still filled my desire for low-commitment social games I could jump into on my phone or computer if I had a few hours of downtime. Now it is effectively unplayable.

I'm in favour of child safety. But these measures were implemented poorly and needed to be paired with matchmaking to not destroy the platform.

JumpCrisscross 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> these measures were implemented poorly and needed to be paired with matchmaking to not destroy the platform

I see these as orthogonal issues.

Your mathmaking gripe sounds legitimate, and is probably driven by Roblox's low 21+ user numbers. That would be expected to change over time. At the same time, I'm not seeing a great argument for why these folks (EDIT: Roblox) should continue to have unfettered access to kids under 14.

ryandrake 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Roblox is absolutely torching their platform, in many ways besides matchmaking and the age verification. Ask any kid who's grown up with the game. Players are leaving in droves and Roblox has become quite un-cool in the last six or so months.

xp84 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As someone who dislikes predator havens that are combined with addictive dark patterns honed to maximize children begging parents for Robux (or just stealing parents’ credit cards to get it) I couldn’t be happier to see Roblox collapse.

I’m sure what replaces it will be even worse though. :/

phatfish 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> I’m sure what replaces it will be even worse though. :/

Hopefully not, it feels like regulation is catching up with the child exploitation. Once the giant platforms are dismantled and can no longer bully governments it will be easier to keep the smaller ones in check.

And no, "dark web Roblox" isn't going to be a replacement. Not matter how much the existing exploiters try to make it a scare tactic.

subscribed 2 hours ago | parent [-]

No, it doesn't. Not long time ago a microblogginf platform run by a billionaire introduced an easy way to "virtually undress" real kids.

Outrage ensued, owner showed the middle finger to everyone, moved the undressing part behind a paywall.

Site is still supported by payment processors, still hosts accounts of all the major preas/government/NGO organisations.

There are some token actions from some governments but absolutely nothing that would happen of it was someone poorer running this site -- for example 4chan fights CSAM (as I understand), yet British Ofcom tries to issue a fine against them.

With Twitter generating CSAM though? Ofcom still have their account there.

JSR_FDED an hour ago | parent [-]

Poor 4chan

Aeolun 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can tell you right now that any kid that’s growing up with the platform right now couldn’t care less.

They don’t communicate in chat. They communicate by shouting at each other from 2 feet away.

Aurornis 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Ask any kid who's grown up with the game.

I don’t have a kid who’s grown up with Roblox nearby to ask. Can you please explain what you mean?

UqWBcuFx6NV4r 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

“thing that was cool to kids is not cool anymore” is not a new phenomenon, and the onus is really on you to show the causation.

tailscaler2026 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If communication was proactively filtered to prevent bad actors (which Roblox obviously failed to do for years), why should it matter if an adult is playing a game with a kid they don't know?

JumpCrisscross 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> why should it matter if an adult is playing a game with a kid they don't know?

My main problem is the kid is playing a game with significant social-media (and gambling) components. That's orthogonal to the question of who is playing with whom, which I agree, is theoretically solvable with better filters.

tailscaler2026 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Oh, I misunderstood. When you said "these folks" I assumed you meant older users, as opposed to Roblox corporation. Cool we're in agreement.

sokoloff 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There’s a large risk and hugely adversarial nature/motivation for predators to bypass whatever proactive filtering is put in place.

echelon 6 hours ago | parent [-]

The real predators are Roblox for getting kids addicted to gambling and the lawmakers who refuse to protect them.

Not that they haven't also abdicated responsibility for keeping sexual predators off the platform. But the societal-level harm is going to be these kids growing up, hardwired to these dopamine-addled gambling pathways. Every single one of those kids has been twisted by Robux.

We need regulations to stop targeting kids with this shit. Companies will stop building it when they get regulated.

hluska 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Roblox is effectively a casino for kids with more social elements than in adult casinos. The corporation failed to prevent children from rapists for decades. Why would any rational person trust them to implement either proactive communication filters or to even allow something so close to gambling amongst different age groups?

Roblox doesn’t deserve to be a business and I hope the lawsuits and equity markets solve that in a hurry.

codedokode 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why 18-20 are isolated from 21+? Aren't they all adult or in some countries children develop slower?

stebalien 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They aren't:

> Users only speak to other players ±1 age group

I.e., 18-20 can speak to 16-17 AND 21+, but 21+ can only speak to 18+

TheCoreh 7 hours ago | parent [-]

This seems like a very reasonable system to ensure e.g. you and your classmate/friends can still interact as you grow up and switch age brackets. I wonder how families etc deal with it though? Can you play with your younger sibling/cousin? Is there some sort of parental approval/override?

subscribed 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I can play with my kids but we're not allowed to talk. They're not allowed to talk with each other as well.

This sucks big time, and it will even more, because we soon won't be aple to play together at all: https://thenextweb.com/news/roblox-age-gated-account-tiers-k...

isiahl 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You can still play with those outside your age groups, you just can’t communicate.

dismalaf 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

US drinking age probably being used as a proxy for "adult-ness".

JumpCrisscross 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Why 18-20 are isolated from 21+?

We have 18-year olds in high school in America. The headline risk from a 40-something sleeping with a high-school student is probably something Roblox wants to get ahead of.

enceladus06 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes but an 18yo can also buy a gun, get drafted into the military, and produce OF/porn.

But no alcohol.

Insanity 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That’s just a US quirk. In many countries you can buy alcohol when you’re 18+.

It’s odd that you can do everything but drink. Like you can go to work, drive home to your wife and kids, but can’t have a beer lol.

JumpCrisscross 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> That’s just a US quirk

My understanding is it’s because of car culture. Drunk-driving deaths drove up the drinking age [1].

[1] https://www.britannica.com/topic/Why-Is-the-US-Drinking-Age-...

lokar 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Also it would increase illegal transfer of alcohol to underage peers, in theory. But high school kids who want beer have no major problems getting already.

It’s up to each state, but the federal government threatens funding if they get out of line.

Aeolun 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They could fix this by lowering the drinking age. Not by raising it. If you have two years of experience being drunk and then start driving you know exactly what you are in for.

If you’ve been confidently driving for years and then suddenly pair that with alcohol… complete opposite effect.

breezybottom 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sure. What does that have to do with Roblox?

amarant 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You've had your Roblox account for 18 years? Wtf, I could've sworn that game was released 4 years ago!

Thanks for making me feel old I guess.

jihadjihad 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Don’t forget the part where GP says they’re 25 years old (currently) and have spent “tens of thousands of dollars” on the platform.

mysterydip an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Just a point of clarity (because I read that at first as well), they spent tens of thousands of robux, which are at a generic level 100:$1. So not as crazy as it sounds, still an investment.

jjmarr 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

My parents bought me lifetime OBC after I asked for that instead of an xbox like literally other kid. It was cheaper at the time.

turns out it was a wiser investment since those xboxes are fully depreciated while I rake in 2200 Robux a month for a hundred years.

vel0city an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It doesn't seem surprising me they started playing at 7, and they were playing the game in 2008. I definitely recall the game taking off a good bit with little kids around that time. By like 2010 or so I knew of a ton of little kids who were at least aware of the game if they didn't play it themselves.

Game has been around for almost 20 years now.

bluefirebrand 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Roblox is older than Minecraft...

jredwards 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> But these measures were implemented poorly and needed to be paired with matchmaking to not destroy the platform.

As a parent, my experience in discussion with other parents is: "Don't ever let your child onto Roblox, it is utterly toxic and should be avoided at all costs."

From that perspective, I think most parents view the destruction of the platform as neutral to positive, and it suggests that the status quo would destroy the platform anyway.

Aeolun 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Which parents do you talk with? The consensus around me seems to be that it’s fine as long as whatever you do on there is done with RL friends.

vintermann 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This sounds like a really counterproductive system. Usually in age verification, you prove that you're over a certain age. 9 year olds don't have very many ways to prove that they're 9 years old. What's stopping the creeps from pretending to be younger than they are?

jjmarr 7 hours ago | parent [-]

They automatically assign you to an age group based on AI/guessing/face verification. If you've been assigned to an incorrect group, you need to do KYC verification with ID.

lostapathy 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My 9 year old got verified as 21+ somehow. He obviously doesn’t have a photo id, so there is no way to verify him as a child. Support refused to help. The whole system is insane.

taejavu 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What’s to stop a 40 year old from holding up a photo of their 15 year old self for the age verification camera?

brooke2k 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

nothing at all, because it's PR security theatre done out of desperation as their platform has been gradually revealed to be a machine that destroys children's lives

jjmarr 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's a interactive prompt needing a webcam. You move your head to prove it is a live face.

potatototoo99 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I've seen a video of someone getting verified by drawing a face on a thumb.

iknowstuff 5 hours ago | parent [-]

It was fake

dom96 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I've seen people getting verified by using a video game character creation screen. How can these AI systems possibly tell?

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hluska 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Or perhaps you’ve aged out of a game that is primarily meant to be a place for children. The child safety measures make things more difficult for you because nobody wants you there. And it seems to be working as designed. Maybe it’s time to find a new game that’s more for your age group.

Aeolun 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There’s a whole bunch of Roblox experiences clearly designed for adults. There’s dozens of us xD

I’m not sure if I’d say it’s better or worse, the games are higher quality because they need to be to keep an older adience engaged.

sureglymop 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You'd be surprised to know the sheer number of "experiences" and games people have created on roblox as the platform.

There are fps shooting games that are more playable/mature than your yearly call of duty/battlefield and all kinds of games for older age groups.

In that sense it's probably hard to "age out of it".

subscribed 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

LOL, they literally said they want to play with other 18+ players alone. Without kids in the lobby, at all.

What are you, fun police? What's next, ban on bright coloured clothes?

tailscaler2026 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Roblox isn't a game, it's a platform. It has hundreds of millions of monthly users. A significant portion of those are 18+. And unsurprisingly there's plenty of games that target older audiences.

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sm0olr 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You’re unlikely to convince an adult of that age who has willingly spent 10s of thousands of dollars on a children’s game that they maybe shouldn’t be playing it.

Dylan16807 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Tens of thousands of robux. That's hundreds of dollars, reasonable for a long term player.

Aeolun 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Ask me what I’ve spent on a League of Legends account I can no longer even use. My wallet weeps.

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malfist 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Heck, I'd rather play that game with only other users over 18+ because I could swear and be more toxic.

Perhaps reexamine why you find it preferable to "be more toxic"

jjmarr 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Basically, the game takes place in a medieval walled settlement. The person who's on the server the longest becomes the "leader" and gets to tax everyone/manage the settlement/build stuff. This is extremely profitable.

If the leader dies, the next person in line becomes the leader. Players can also buy swords and weapons.

This means the goal of the game, if you're ambitious, is gain power instead of actually contributing to the settlement. You could directly murder the leaders, but this is slow.

It is more efficient to incite an angry mob and make everyone extremely violent. Then leaders will get repeatedly murdered by the mob as the settlement burns down/devolves into chaos.

Unfortunately, everyone else wants power too. You'll take power and get killed by the angry mob you created.

Being toxic in an emulation of the late Roman Empire is essentially the game.

https://www.roblox.com/games/4598019433/generic-roleplay-gae...

I want to invoke my inner Catullus and insult my enemies but I am limited in what I can say in the presence of minors.

subscribed 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So adults having innocent fun together and perhaps "cussing" while in strictly 28+ game are somehow problematic to you? :D

kulahan 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This comment itself comes across as so toxic, ironically - as if it’s somehow wrong to want to blow off steam in a way that isn’t appropriate for a nine year old to experience personally.

Edit: I swear it seems like infantilizing everyone is suddenly a goal for some reason. This has to be the most annoying personality type on the internet.

unnouinceput 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Your comment is blowing something out of proportions. He prefers 25+, said so. Toxic in there means "F u", get a "F u and u'r mother" back and both persons laughs after. It's not toxic in the sense of "I will kill you and your entire family", but more like venting something in a safe space. You don't go in real life to a random stranger and say "F u", but in a lobby of a virtual game that's acceptable. And he's saying he prefer that since also going to a lobby full of 9 years old kids and saying that is way more toxic and he prefers the algorithm to actually match him with appropriate ones instead of throwing him in young lobbies and then cannot be able to speak with them. So clearly the algorithm is half baked, made communications worse and needs more tuning. Swearing is part of any culture in humanity, and there is a reason the among the first things you learn in a foreign language is swearing. Used wisely, that "toxicity" is actually a great tool to forge good relations.