More like 13 years ago, when Snowden revelations made the reach of this public. Nothing was done, and this kept expanding till today state of things. No one should be surprised.

And over the domestic surveillance, that had some complaints back in that time, there is the point of foreign surveillance and intervention, that had no slowdown back then, so you can figure out where that should be today. At least Americans have some saying on their government and policies, but for the rest of the world is just the new normal.

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htx80nerd 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I'm old enough to remember AT&T room 641A

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znpy 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> More like 13 years ago, when Snowden revelations made the reach of this public. Nothing was done, and this kept expanding till today state of things. No one should be surprised.

Yeah, obama was president at the time.

A lot of fanfare and then nothing happened.

People were also being deported by ICE, in larger quantities, but that didn’t even make the news.

It’s always “weird” when the same action get different a connotation depending on who’s president…

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wat10000 an hour ago | parent [-]

Ever think that maybe it’s not the deportations that are the problem, but the murders and other human rights abuses?

And the fact that there was a lot of fanfare over Snowden rather undermines your point. People did make a big deal about it. It didn’t go anywhere because at the end of the day, the establishment on both sides is in favor of that stuff. It didn’t get any more action after Obama left office.

	▲	znpy 35 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I’m pretty sure that if people had tried to obstruct the law in a similar manner there would have been similar death. And unlike today, there was pretty much no bodycam at the time. Regarding the fanfare… yeah sure big deal… and yet, here we are, with ubiquitous surveillance whose ground work was laid out during the obama administration.
	▲	lostmsu 14 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		News like "a child dying from a rare form of cancer is deported" only got popular (including on HN) during Trump's latest term.