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huhkerrf 11 hours ago

> One remaining one-star review on Google reads, “Their logo is AI generated, if they can’t make the effort to create a logo they definitely won’t make the effort to cook good food.”

I'm not sure what it's called, but there has to be a name for this logical error.

andsoitis 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s an example of logical fallacy, specifically a non sequitur. It actually combines a few related errors: non sequitur, hasty generalization, guilt by association, and false cause (post hoc ergo propter hoc).

The reviewer is essentially saying: “If they cut corners on X, they must cut corners on Y”, which is a common logical error in making judgments based on incomplete information.

ragall 10 hours ago | parent [-]

A logical error is not the same thing as a practical error.

collingreen 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Is this equivalent to defending the broken clock as right twice a day?

ragall 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Another way to put it is that Logic deals with cause and effect situations with a correlation of 1. It's possible to have a correlation of 99%, which would be a logical error, but still a very useful bit of practical knowledge.

In this case, I would definitely agree that people that act sloppily in one aspect of business will almost always do the same in other aspects. More generally, I'd say that most classical logical fallacies are actually useful rules of thumb.

toraway 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

On the other hand, the indignation over faulty logic I’ve seen in multiple comments already is somewhat ironic considering the hundreds of times I’ve seen the Van Halen brown M&M story invoked on HN as an example of a brilliantly simple heuristic for predicting quality.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

kelseyfrog 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Horn Effect: causes one's perception of another to be unduly influenced by a single negative trait.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_effect

aezart 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Seems valid to me. I won't read articles with model-generated header images, because it's a good indicator the rest of the text will be slop as well.

For a restaurant, a slop logo gives the impression that the owner doesn't care about the details and has no taste.

Beyond that, the use of generative models is a big moral issue for a growing number of people.

npinsker 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, this isn’t a logical error at all. If you don’t have taste in one area — actually, it’s even worse, you’re not even aware of your own lack of taste — why would I trust your taste in another area?

linksnapzz 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The best Mexican places I've been to in CA had decor reminiscent of a big-city bus station, despite how good the food was.

TheOtherHobbes 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why would lack of taste in graphic design be even remotely related to lack of taste in food preparation?

It's like arguing you wouldn't trust a lawyer with a medical negligence case if they can't suture a wound.

Or you wouldn't trust a graphic designer with a restaurant logo if they can't make good scrambled eggs.

H4lcyon 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is assuming that the owner is also the chef, and exclusively concerned with cooking. Being a restaurateur is a multi-disciplinary job. The owner's job is literally to have good taste in all areas of the restaurant business: food, interior design, hospitality, branding and marketing, etc. No one is saying that they have to be a graphic designer. The obvious answer here was to have the good sense to hire a local college art student for like $300 to make an endearing and meaningful logo.

dzhiurgis 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Do people even expect anything from “sports” grill?

vvpan 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The real scarce resource in the world is legitimacy. People seem to strongly associate AI with low legitimacy. Extrapolation from low effort and inattention to details has always existed but AI legitimacy poisoning is a new and bigger phenomenon than just a logical error.

rsynnott 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I mean, 'definitely' is strong, but if you're willing to cut corners on the most visible part of your business, there is a good chance you're willing to cut corners on the rest of it.

"Uses generative AI images" is a decent heuristic for "probably crap, best avoided", IME.

m3047 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> there has to be a name for this logical error

Are you looking for "category confusion"? It's a conflation, but let's look at the logic. (So yes, my prior is that there is logic.)

"If they generated their logo by mumbling things at a toaster / picking something from the vending machine and then 'owning' it, how likely is it that they stole a sandwich in a grubby wrapper from a bum and are going to hand it to me and say 'I made this'?"

Edit: the article is paywalled, but a number of comments remark on the owner's sense of entitlement. So my moot is probably close for throwing blind. So then that might be the real issue, and the logo is a proxy for a perception of lack of work + mental bullying.

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estimator7292 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

AI models are explicitly sold and advertised as a way to reduce labor cost to zero. If you want to reduce your cost to zero in one area (at the expense of other real people) you most likely will seek to drive costs to zero in other areas (at the expense of your customers).

I don't think that's a logical error at all. That is the explicit and overtly stated plan and promise of AI.

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nothinkjustai 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s not a logical error, just common sense. Eg. how you do one thing is how you do everything.

m00x 9 hours ago | parent [-]

> how you do one thing is how you do everything.

That simply isn't true though. It's not even possible to be true. Will a neurosurgeon put as much time in their cooking/cleaning/etc as they do their surgeries? There's not enough time/energy.

nothinkjustai 9 hours ago | parent [-]

that’s a pretty big oversimplification. it means that the way you do one thing is indicative of the type of person you are. if someone cheats on their wife, don’t trust them as a business partner. if someone puts in a lot of effort into a group project, you can probably trust them to take on responsibility outside of school as well. if someone always cuts corners on the “small stuff” like not tucking in their bedsheets all the way, not vaccuming under furniture, etc, they’re probably going to take shortcuts on other things as well. and if someone takes lazy shortcuts by generating mediocre ai slop art, they probably have a similar mentality to the food they make as well.

dzhiurgis 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I wouldn’t trust anyone claiming they don’t take shortcuts, because it’s simply a lie.