Wikipedia is full of various large disinformation campaigns. Not just Russia, but Iran, Qatar, North Korea, etc. Unless I'm looking at the history of DB-9 connectors or early Simpsons episode summaries, etc, it's not a reliable source.

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brandnewideas 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What about the USA, or China?

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Pay08 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

China is likely not doing it. Wikipedia is blocked by the great firewall.

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daneel_w 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why wouldn't they be doing it? They are actively engaged in such campaigns in various other media for foreign audiences. Wikipedia being blocked for the Chinese general population doesn't mean The Party isn't targeting it to influence opinions of non-Chinese in exactly the same way, since it's a fantastic platform with incredible reach and an unrivaled level of trust from the public.

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pixel_popping 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Anyone that does business with China understand that VPN usage is rampant (generally Shadowsocks with V2Ray and the likes, it's plug and play, ton of local companies sell it, on every markets you can buy as well), companies and people aren't actually limited by it, the people that don't circumvent it are often the ones not talking english, there is a huge tolerance as well for businesses, gov is completely aware of the mass "VPN" usage, lot of hotels as well provide you with solutions if you just ask and so-on.

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flexagoon 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Chinese is one of the most popular languages on Wikipedia

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E9%A6%96%E9%A1%B5

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rdm_blackhole 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's awfully naive. China's cyber units or state actors most likely have access to Wikipedia and are not bothered by the Great Firewall. The citizens on the other hand, I agree with you.

	▲	pixel_popping 9 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Citizens do/can have access to Wikipedia, that's also very naive, estimations range from 15-35% of the population using VPN but in practice, any IT business and all their staff are behind VPNs and it's completely tolerated. Almost all street markets sell those USB/QRcode to access unrestricted internet. Most people don't need a VPN as well, similarly to the US population not accessing much of the content from let say Austria, France, Germany... due to language barrier or just not caring at all.

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cubefox 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's not a sentence. What do you mean with ", ..."?

	▲	brandnewideas 10 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I've edited the comment

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cpursley 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

US Army openly advertises pyops work:

https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/specialty-careers/sp...

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estimator7292 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you learn to read, the fragments "not just" and "etc" clearly answer your question.

Yes, China and the US also participate in this. Everyone knows this. You are not clever or special for pointing it out, you're just being stupid and trying to distract from the conversation.

Literally whataboutism. Classic FUD and distraction technique. Go somewhere else with this nonsesne.

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psychoslave 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So, what country doesn't try to inject its own agenda in it?

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pixel_popping 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

All of them, I dislike how people seem to perceive it, while most of the time, politician job is "damage-control" (which practically means pushing an agenda by ensuring the discourse goes the way they want).

And then, we have the international brainwashing, which is where we think we understand a nation we've never even stepped-in but we don't. Anyone that has been in Shenzhen suddenly can see for themself, most US news don't talk about all the greatness in China, literally majority it is to denigrate the country, news are just so annoying in general and people just love to parrot non-sense (or incomplete non-sense, which is the same thing as not understanding at all), politicians understand that, news understand that.

We can observe Google Trends with Ukraine as an example, when the news and politicians switch-up the topic, then most people just stop caring altogether and move-on and go to the next "big thing", all over again.

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tpm 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Many countries simply don't care about imprinting their official narrative on Wikipedia.

	▲	pixel_popping 9 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Not on Wikipedia sure, but they do with many different type of media or local ways which is then translated into the "international news" (with a big sprinkle on top of non-sense and unqualified opinion).
	▲	rdm_blackhole 9 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		On the contrary, injecting your own views/propaganda in Wikipedia is a great way for your content or your version of history to be included in the outputs of LLMs since they all rely more or less on it during their training phase.

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cubefox 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Certain taboo subjects are also heavily misrepresented, e.g. in intelligence research: https://quillette.com/2022/07/18/cognitive-distortions/

	▲	Worf 15 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I looked at the 5 examples for a bit. Reading the Wikipedia talk pages, I'd tend to agree that the sources removed are representing a fringe idea and that the Wikipedia process has been followed normally. You'd find lots of sources for every fringe idea, but that doesn't mean those sources are good. But surely there are people who edit things about intelligence and race due to non-scientific reasons like their beliefs, politics or emotions. I think people from both sides of the issue/argument/debate are making such edits, like with every issue.

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pessimizer 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's the US government and Israeli POV, but the reality is that it is full of large, medium, small and micro manipulation campaigns backed from everybody from nation-states, to video game publishers, to political parties up for reelection defending cuts they made to heating oil subsidies, to people trying to bring up property values in a town in Ohio with a 16K population, all the way down to a guy applying to jobs trying to associate himself with a project that he put on his resume and a guy in an argument on twitter who added something that he needed to win.

It's not a source at all. It should be designed as a guide to sources - one that will allow you to get accurate information about both official statistics and wacky conspiracy theories (which are as important to be accurate in discussing as anything else.) Instead it prefers to be a voice of God, egotistical narcissistic middle-class Western elites, intelligence agencies, and any random manipulator who wants to juice up some stock.

edit: the people trying to get the truth stated plainly (whatever that is to them) into Wikipedia require exactly the same skills as the people who are trying to get consciously deceptive information into Wikipedia. The problem with Wikipedia is that it is a pseudo-government built out of Confucianist aphorisms rather than rules, so instead of being directed by reason, it is ultimately directed by authority. Authority comes from strength, not justice or truth.