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vvpan 3 hours ago

We had to buy those calculators for highschool and it was a waste of money, felt like somebody must be paying somebody off to have thousands of students buy a device that they will certainly never have to use (and is of little educational value).

pavel_lishin 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I certainly got a lot of educational value out of mine. I managed to program a fully functional Minesweeper game on mine, using the built-in programming tools - no transferring efficient binaries via cable!

But yes. 99% of what we did with them in class - when we were even allowed to use them - could have been handled by a little solar-powered calculator with basic arithmetic functions.

joebates 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Programming mine in high school is how I ended up coding for the first time and led to my current career. Honestly a pretty good investment (from my parents) I'd say.

beeandapenguin 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Same for me, it was also my first time ever seeing code, and I still remember it well. While getting ready for swim practice in a locker room, my friend challenged me to beat his score on a button mashing game he programmed earlier that day in school on his TI-84. My 12 year old self was in awe of his BASIC skills.

mrguyorama an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same.

I bounced off a python 2 tutorial and a C tutorial, but some random nobody's TI-BASIC tutorial that started really damn easy is how I became a Computer Scientist.

I eventually figured out python too!

I made my own game and got a little notoriety around the school for it.

w0m 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

same. My first real exposure to coding was hacking Drug Wars on my brothers old ti-89 in math class.

hrunt 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In my school, I was part of a group of students who hand-programmed games on TI-81 or TI-82 calculators using TI-BASIC. No cable transfers. Games included: Hangman, Missile Command, Minesweeper, and R-Type. Looking back, it was really amazingly impressive. Both what those calculators could do and how much free time we had to make them do it.

mordechai9000 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I programmed a Mandelbrot generator on my TI-81 (if I remember the model correctly) when I should have been paying attention in class. Entering the code was slow and painful - fortunately the algorithm is fairly simple. The batteries lasted forever, until one day I set the bailout to a ridiculously high value, given the limited resolution, and walked away.

hoistbypetard 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We made multi-player games over the link cables in the early 1990s. We certainly learned a ton from building those. It's not clear how much the calculators added to the math and chemistry classes where we were supposed to use them.

charcircuit an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You could get that same educational value from programming things on a smartphone.

kstrauser 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

What's your favorite free programming environment for commonly used smartphones?

charcircuit 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

I don't have a favorite. I do not feel like anyone that I am aware of has made proper investment to make a quality development app for mobile due to the low market demand. While development is better than on a calculator I think they are below my expectations.

tombert 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I sort of agree.

You're paying $100 for completely antiquated hardware where its core feature is "it doesn't do much".

Pretty much any professional environment that you will need calculations will have access to a computer that can do these calculations significantly faster and better.

I thought my HP was pretty cool in high school, but pretty much the moment I graduated I stopped using it because I figured out how to use Excel and/or a programming language to do number crunchy stuff. Even for CAS stuff, I would just use Wolfram Alpha or SageMath (depending on how ambitious I'm feeling with setting stuff up).

I can't remember the last time I used a calculator outside of showing someone else how to use it.

DSMan195276 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Well I'd add to that - the real core feature is that the teacher and usually the textbook show you exactly how to use it, that's why it gets listed specifically as a course requirement.

That unfortunately is also why they can charge so much and people buy them anyway, because at best you'll be on your own to learn how to use anything else (and at worst you won't be allowed to use it at all for tests and such).

nick49488171 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The interface is great for what it does though. I still use ti-83 interface with the calculator app on my phone.

tombert 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah I guess I should correct and say that I do use an HP 50G emulator on my iPhone cuz I like RPN.

But even still, the iPhone can do many things and is many times more capable, and you can buy a used iPhone 12 that works fine for about the same price as one of these calculators.

burnt-resistor an hour ago | parent [-]

HP 48G(X) is the OG and what I took SAT-I and AP Calculus BC exams with. The iOS/iPadOS emu app is called i48.

Suppafly 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>We had to buy those calculators for highschool and it was a waste of money, felt like somebody must be paying somebody off to have thousands of students buy a device that they will certainly never have to use (and is of little educational value).

I suppose it depends if you took advanced math classes or not.

al_borland a minute ago | parent [-]

My high school required one for a math curriculum that was specifically designed with the idea that students would not need advanced math classes. It kids up for failure if they were hoping to move toward higher level math in college, as the fundamentals were never adequately taught. But at least they sold thousands of calculators to kids who would never use them again.

They actually started us on them in 7th or 8th grade.

IIAOPSW 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I learned programming on that calculator. I learned programming because of that calculator. I owe so much to that calculator.

eagerpace 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Same. I hid custom calculators behind game levels so my teacher couldn't find them.

jjcm 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same.

I distinctly remember my teachers having a debate around whether or not the functions I had programmed into my calculator were "cheating". On one hand, it was a tool and notes that I had access to my peers did not. On the other hand, I had created those tools myself, and if school was supposed to train me for the real world, wouldn't I be able to use the tools I created in the real world?

BoorishBears 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Ha in my school's math department the cheating thesis won and my silly single variable CAS system (which in retrospect did nothing you couldn't do with the graph functions!) got calculator programs banned. Luckily enough my specific math teacher that year didn't care enough to enforce it and it was soon forgotten

BoorishBears 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There are many of us, I make a living today because my dad brought home a Ti-83 Plus and I kept messing with the "PGRM" menu

rangestransform 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I got an HP50g from Craigslist in high school that

- was cheaper than a TI

- had a primitive CAS system

- teachers had no idea how to put it into test mode

It carried me through AP calc BC, I would’ve gotten <4 off of my own knowledge alone

tombert 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I had the same one. I thought it was pretty cool.

One perk I found is that if I kept it in RPN mode, people stopped asking to borrow my calculator, which was a valid excuse to learn how to use RPN, which is basically all I use now (and indirectly made me really love the Forth language).

BizarroLand 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Mine was a Casio fx-something. Teachers didn't like it but it didn't let me cheat and it was just the right amount of functionality to help me with math. Carried me through Pre-Cal, Trig, Calculus and Differential Equations.

tombert 2 hours ago | parent [-]

That was my first graphing calculator in high school, because it was way cheaper than the equivalent TI. Like seriously 1/4 the price for "beginning of the school year" sales.

That thing was fine, and if I hadn't dropped it and broken it, I probably would have kept using it for the rest of high school. I eventually replaced it with an HP.

levocardia 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Agreed, it's insane to me that in an era of Google Colab (et al) schools still require students to shell out >$100 for one of these. I'm sure there is some backroom arrangement with schools of some kind.

Arainach 2 hours ago | parent [-]

A lack of functionality is the point. You don't want a full CAS or Internet search results available, or many students will just take the easy route and not learn anything.

Neither teachers nor school districts have the time or resources to audit every new tool someone wants to use, or to help students figure out how to use their preferred tool to do something - find something that works and just use that

badc0ffee 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

30 years ago, we had the option of the TI-82 Or (83?) and the 85. A bunch of the kids with the 85 were playing Tetris and some were writing little programs. I got the cheaper 82/83, and I don't actually remember using it for anything, even once, even though I did the IB track (stats, trig, algebra, calculus, etc).

cj 3 hours ago | parent [-]

How is that possible?

I wouldn’t have been able to function without it in school (20 years ago). But we also didn’t have iPhones.

billxreynolds 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Back in the mid-90's we had a TI version of sneakernet where you would copy programs from one student on to your TI-85 via a link cable; this is how I got Tetris back in the day. I assume OP did the same.

jasonfarnon an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Was it that only the 85 could connect to a com port, but then you could connect the 85 to the 82/83? I seem to remember pleading with the one kid with an 85 (who didn't even care about games).

badc0ffee 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

IIRC there was a way to connect the TI-85 to your serial port and use some Windows or DOS software to copy files onto it. (Everyone's PC still had at least one serial port on it back then).

badc0ffee 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

(Edit: I am assuming you were asking how it's possible I didn't use it, not how it's possible that people were copying programs onto their calculators.)

I don't know. It's been too long. We must have done graphing on paper.

I don't remember a lot of coursework in math that required me to produce a decimal value. For example, we wanted √2 instead of 1.414.

In physics, I think we used regular calculators.

I used to be bewildered at my parents not remembering certain things from high school. But, now I'm living it :).

ezfe 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I used mine constantly in highschool (10 years ago).

sethops1 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I used mine in highschool (20 years ago) and still use one today.

vitaflo 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Same except mine was over 30 years ago (an OG TI-85). Still on my desk, still use it almost every day for something or other.

kstrauser 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

I don't know how the TI-85 compares to the other models without looking it up, but there's a forever soft spot in my heart for mine. It got me through a comp sci degree and still works flawlessly today.

bluebands 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I use mine constantly in high school (now).

jhatemyjob 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Same. But I agree with the parent, I always got the vibe it was a giant racket between public schools and TI. Writing code for it was probably cool back in the 80s-90s but it's so dated now.

sanderjd 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is probably right, but just to note that it's very much a generational thing. When I got a TI-83 (and then eventually an 89!) it was easily the most advanced handheld computing hardware I had ever been exposed to. The iPhone made sense to me, and I knew it would be huge, the day it came out because of these amazing calculators.

I know technology has moved on and all, but much nostalgic respect to these amazing calculators.

Groxx 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Definitely. At the very least, given the slow change in which ones are accepted, a cheap rental setup seems like the baseline that should exist... but everyone had to buy their own for my schools.

jgord 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

concur .. better to have a 40-buck fx82 for daily math and use Desmos for graphing, than fork out 250 to 300 for a super-duper calc they wont use.

myvoiceismypass 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was in (Catholic) HS 30 years ago and we used our TI-82s extensively in AP Calc.

Probably have not touched mine since college.

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