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NoSalt 7 hours ago

The X-Files was the right show at the right time; a "bubble" of the '90s, if you will. The internet and mobile technology was nascent. The world was getting bigger, but was still quite "small". I definitely feel quite privileged to have lived through this time, and enjoy all things '90s quite a bit. Any, and I mean any, attempt to remake this show is doomed to failure, and I wish they would just stop. Now, if you will excuse me, I am going to hang out with the Lone Gunmen for a bit.

mancerayder 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

People used books a lot more and it was fun to sit on the floor at Barnes and Nobles.

I remember planning trips with Lonely Planet books. I just really don't miss the pre-GMaps era. I don't think I'd ever drive now without one a phone.

jghn 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The one thing about that era that has always seemed unique is that for people who lived it, a few years was a very big deal. Even now that I'm much older, talking to people in my age range it still blows my mind how different people's life experiences were just due to be 2-3 years different in age.

Especially for anything tech oriented.

Talk to people who were computer science majors in the 90s, you'll find that their curriculum varied wildly depending on exactly what years they were there. a 2-3 year difference could be huge.

Same is true for how they experienced the internet, interacted with media, whether or not they were mobile native or landline native, and so much more.

Less tech oriented but the 90s had an enormous shift in terms of corporate culture. The people who were a few years older than me reported wearing suits to work. By the time I went off to be a corpo, it was usually casual wear, not even business casual. For the same types of roles & companies!

The list is endless.

dustfinger 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Any, and I mean any, attempt to remake this show is doomed to failure

I second that. Please, for the love of all good things, do not remake the X-Files, or Firefly.

nradov 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Fringe was kind of a remake of The X-Files. It wasn't an exact copy but clearly derivative. Still a decent show.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1119644/

ErroneousBosh 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I wouldn't say it was "derivative", although it was clearly made by people who had enjoyed The X-Files, and Twin Peaks.

I loved the trick with the colour grading. Won't say more because spoilers, if you know you know.

bilegeek 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Fringe definitely handled the continuing storyline much better. The way they blend in, then transition from, the monster-of-the-week format is excellent writing. It did put a deadline on the story, something which the X-Files writers seemed allergic to as the series began aging.

crtasm 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The upcoming Firefly series will be animated, seems like the right choice

ErroneousBosh 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I hope they pick up on the thing in the last episode of Firefly, where River hears everyone's thoughts except for one person.

There was someone else on the ship like River.

cindyllm 3 hours ago | parent [-]

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bityard 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, I for one would not be disappointed at a sequel or continuation of Firefly, as long as they figure out a way to bring Wash back from the dead and Joss Whedon has absolutely nothing at all to do with it.

krapp 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I feel like I'm the only person who didn't really vibe with Firefly. I usually like the "space Western" motif but Firefly was so broad and over the top with it that it just seemed silly to me.

krapp 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They're going to, because there is no property that will not be milked for nostalgia.

Although honestly, it could work if they played into the cynicism and uncertainty of the modern UFO phenomenon. If the "conspiracy" is a hall of mirrors comprised of psyops, lies, grift and folklore and the truth is something very weird exists but the government doesn't know what it is. Establish a "post-truth" narrative where the only thing we know is that everything we thought we knew (Roswell, Area 51, Dulce, Majestic 12) was a lie.

Maybe at some point have the in-universe version of Northrop-Grumman (or pick whatever defense contractor you like) actually make a breathrough in reverse engineering alien technology (or say it's China, to play on American xenophobia) and now the enemy isn't some vast government conspiracy but dark capitalism. Have an Elon Musk analogue, AI death cults around weird alien artifacts, SV startup culture, UFO grifters within the government, creeping fascism, all of it.

Someone could make an intelligent and interesting show that studies the nature of hyperreality, the evolution of UFO folklore as a mirror of generational fears, and the embrace of metaphysics as a trauma response to the dehumanization of modern technological society. The problem is, that wouldn't be the X-Files. Something closer to Lone Gunmen, maybe, as written by Grant Morrison, without cops being protagonists, but the vibe of the 90's and the Smoking Man and all of that is just too quaint to be plausible nowadays.

They'll do it anyway, and they'll do it badly, and they'll probably do it with AI.

layer8 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It might just be age and experience, but the world felt bigger in the 90s than it does now.

Keyframe 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not only bigger, but more mysterious at that. Information wasn't instant and wasn't readily available. There were tales, there were rumors, there were news, and you had to rely on those for your own worldview. Anything further you had to make an expedition to your encyclopedia or library or other means to dive deeper into it. If you made an appointment with someone, you had to rely on the fact both sides will be there; No portable means of communication (easily / cheap). Now we have portable comm devices where we even use them between rooms.

As sibling comment said, I feel privileged to have experienced that, but especially the whole transition from analogue world into digital and then online. It was quite a ride. Around dotcom boom, the second wave of internet users coming online, internet was relatively widespread,. It was also heterogeneous. Quite amazing actually. Now we're down to few big walled gardens and it's definitely different and, in my opinion, worse.

jghn 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's funny, being someone who was terminally online then and now, back then I had immediate access to orders of magnitude more information than I did a few years prior as well as a normal person. These days the amount of information I can pull at the drop of a hat is so much more than back then it is mind boggling. Also a normal person isn't that much different in capability vs a terminally online person such as myself.

Keyframe 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, and that imo kind of cheapens the whole effect of it. We're witnessing something similar now with genAI and slop people produce with it. First few moments it was wow, look at all of this and now it's noise.

xhevahir 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Conspiracy theories were a lot more recondite back then, less accessible to what people today would call "normies." Before X Files you would rarely encounter them unless you subscribed to the Loompanics catalog, or ran into a LaRouche activist on a college campus, or shopped at the kind of used bookstore where an old guy woud talk your ear off about the FEMA secret government or something.

palmotea 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't really agree. I remember getting books from the library in the early 90s that talked about UFO conspiracy theories. There was a lot of weird stuff on TV, before the X-files, like In Search Of (which I think was from the 70s).

Keyframe 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Arthur C. Clarke's Mysterious World was a thing among such things. It was present in popular culture, it wasn't obscure, but it did culminate with X-files for sure.

RajT88 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It felt bigger because of a few things:

1. The world felt farther away. It was much harder to learn current events about far away places, and talk to people there.

2. The number of websites you spend most of your time on has shrunk. Facebook/Insta/TikTok is a lot of people's entire internet diet.

fidotron 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It totally felt bigger because so many experiences required access to specific physical objects and getting those took forever.

35mm film processing, CDs (tapes even worse), VHS . . . these were all things deemed not exactly ideal at the time.

dustfinger 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It was happier, with plenty of opportunity for everyone and society felt like it was held up on common ground. It defnately felt bigger, because it was.

keyringlight 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

24 is another one that was at the right time, although the big one was not under their control. It started showing 2 months after the 9/11 attacks. More to the general point, it was also at the time that computers and internet usage was fast growing, but gaps in the digital side meant it was still plausible that field agents were important. They also had plot lines such as the bad guys using online video game chat (a smaller but growing thing in the early 2000s) as a hidden communication channel which I believe is pulled from real events.

Schmerika 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

24 was extreme racist pro-torture fear porn propaganda.

So yes - definitely had its finger on the pulse of early 2000s America.

xdennis 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm at least happy to hear that you think America is better now. Typically agitators say things like America is more racist now than ever (including before Civil Rights).

anthk 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Uh, no. Totally different times. To me the mid to late 90's where almost the same, among 2000 and pre S11 2001, chill, futuristic times, with computers, consoles, comic books, everything, the final death blow to the 80's which began at 1992/1993. Maybe from 2001/2002, but from 2002-2003 the one was grim, dark, pro-torture on series and tons of war propaganda in movies from the US.

jeffbee 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I wrote an essay for a private journal last year about how the X-Files mainstreamed anti-scientific and anti-government conspiracy thinking and thereby led to the downfall of American democracy in the 21st century. It valorized the fringe, presaged "do your own research" and consistently told us that the skeptic is always wrong, the believer is always vindicated.

It wasn't a bubble of the 90's, it was a prescient blueprint for the 2020s.

snowwrestler 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I've heard this idea before but I think it's primarily hindsight. At the time The X Files was on, there were even more popular shows about strong institutions, like Law & Order or The West Wing. So if popular TV was influential, why didn't society evolve toward those portrayals? I think we can look back today and say "that looked like this," but it doesn't mean that caused this.

It took something far more powerful than a TV show that was mildly popular for a few years to create what we live today. It took the great flatness of the Internet. As Terry Pratchett predicted to Bill Gates back then.

kstrauser 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

LOL, we must've been typing in parallel: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47980081

troad 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The X-Files didn't presage it, the X-Files were inspired by it. Conspiratorial "do your own research" style thinking long predated the X-Files (both in existence and in popularity).

If anything, the 90s were the one era where that thinking had receded more than at any other time. Then 9/11 brought it roaring back.

quickthrowman 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think it’s simpler than that, the internet makes it easier for conspiracy people to reinforce each others beliefs in a space where no one is going to challenge their fallacious reasoning.