Whilst tempting, I think it is important not to read too much into this.

It is no secret that Apple has an enormous R&D budget.

It is no secret that Apple operates with hundreds of siloed teams in order to maintain individual domain expertise. The teams then come together in a collaborative manner to bring together the final products.

So yes, it is likely true that SOME teams use SOME LLM for SOME tasks. It is a viable argument from R&D and other perspectives. Apple is an enormous multinational company, it is unlikely they have zero-AI on-site.

What is guaranteed NOT to be the case is that Apple is somehow vibecoding company-wide. Old-school engineering is too important for Apple.

I'm sure journalists and Anthropic would love to have you believe otherwise, but I think we need to keep our feet on the ground here and accept the reality is more old-school.

Afterall, as others have pointed out already here ... whilst the rest of Silicon Valley has been shoveling truckloads of cash at AI, Apple have been patiently sitting, watching the bandwagon trundle along the rails.

▲ einsteinx2 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> It is no secret that Apple operates with hundreds of siloed teams in order to maintain individual domain expertise. The teams then come together in a collaborative manner to bring together the final products.

Having worked there this is a perfect description of the organization from my experience.

> So yes, it is likely true that SOME teams use SOME LLM for SOME tasks. It is a viable argument from R&D and other perspectives.

> What is almost guaranteed NOT to be the case is that Apple is somehow vibecoding company-wide.

100% agree

▲ engineer_22 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Risk of embarrassment is too great to be vibe coding, apple's brand is TRUST and people don't trust AI... A slip like this erodes their brand

▲ rvnx 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Not really, almost all active software developers use AI nowadays.

  The research surveyed 121.000 developers across 450+ companies. A striking 92.6% of them use an AI coding assistant at least once a month, and roughly 75% use one weekly

It's weird to believe that large corporations should be ashamed to use AI.

It's a standard engineering practice, otherwise it's like if you refuse autocomplete because autocomplete is not right 100% of the time.

	▲	ozgrakkurt an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Divert to the mean, race to the bottom. Produce garbage and try to scam people. It is standard engineering practice
	▲	einsteinx2 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Especially considering that Apple added it as a headline feature to the latest Xcode releases…

▲ skeledrew an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> What is guaranteed NOT to be the case is that Apple is somehow vibecoding company-wide. Old-school engineering is too important for Apple.

You say this with such confidence. Do you have some inside source with enough access that you can be that certain?